The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited

[MaryA]

In case they are of any use.

LAW SITTINGS.—THIS DAY .
The Morning Post (London, England), Tuesday, March 10, 1835; pg. 7; Issue 20048. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II
Insolvent Debtors Court, Portugal Street
.... Nathaniel White ....

also mentioned in The Morning Post (London, England), Tuesday, December 27, 1836; Issue 20608. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II as Nathaniel Nicholls White.

This one might well be the Nathaniel White who married the Elizabeth
 LICENSED VICTUALLERS' MEMS .
The Era (London, England), Sunday, February 9, 1851; Issue 646.
White Lion, Lower Brook Street, to Elizabeth White, widow and executrix of Nathaniel White, the late Occupier.

[Ruskie]

Just browsing here:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Strand/
and discovered this:
Records
 • City of Westminster Archives Centre, 10 St Ann's Street, London SW1P 2DE. ◦St Anne, Soho — holdings include: Board of guardians overseers' minutes (1849-1900), Overseers' accounts (1719-1860), Settlement papers and removal orders (1736-1835, indexed), Indemnification bonds (1686-1742), Petition for poor relief (1822), Miscellaneous letters and orders (1782-1822), Workhouse admissions list (1781-2), Workhouse work books (1785-1838), Workhouse administrative records and accounts (1781-1836), Apprenticeship register and indentures (1686-1834), Bastardy registers (1790-1825), Records of poor children and nursery (1789-1793,1818-1838).
 ◦St Clement Danes — holdings include: Overseers' and churchwardens' minutes (1779-1850, 1878-1900), Overseers' accounts (1604-1900), Settlement examination books (1703-07, 1739-1836, indexed 1739-1836), Settlement registers (1699-1707, c1715-1750), Settlement and removal legal papers (1806-1836), Settlement certificates (1701-71), Petitions for poor relief (1809-1836), Lists of workhouse inmates incl. admission and discharge details (1785, 1834), Workhouse clothing books (1785-1796), Workhouse administrative records/accounts (1788-1834), Bastardy examination books (1786-1798, 1809-1818 indexed), Bastardy bonds (1641, 1705), Records of poor children and nurses (1719-1727,1767-1822), Nursery accounts (1832-1836).

Some of the above records cover some of the time we think that Nathaniel White, chairmaker was in the workhouse. Can anyone see any records above which may be worth looking further into?


Some interesting finds Mary A, but I think I have found Nathaniel Nichols White in the 1851 census in Tottenham. I can't quite read his occupation - looks like a 'Process something'. He is born around 1811. Our Nat was born in 1826 .... so, not too likely to have Nathaniel Nichols White as his father  Chairmaker Nathaniel was born about 1785. He is mistranscribed "Wall" White in the 1851 on Ancestry, still living in Marylebone and still a chairmaker.

I don't think Nathaniel Charles White is our man either. He is still around on the 1871 census in Hanwell and his occupation is 'House Property' (whatever that is).

[Ruskie]

The latest from Mongibello:

Unfortunately he was unable to locate Mary Ward's death certificate at Westminster Archives. However he has gone ahead and ordered it from the GRO.  I am looking forward to it's arrival, and will obviously keep you all posted.

Are there any more certifcates we need to purchase? 

[deb usa]

Hi Ruskie 

Please thank Mongibello from us! Which cert is he ordering, the Westminster or St Pancras one?

I wonder if Nathaniel White's death cert may reveal anything? Do you think Nat would have known the truth by 1862?

I am still wondering if our Ann isn't the Bible lady in Essex in 1861 ...she states married ...but who's to know what the truth is regarding her status.. I did search for her the other day ...yet again, nothing! I even looked at Ann's being christened in October 1801 ...no surname ...just hoping that one would have a birth date of 9 Oct 

I also started rereading the diary 

deb

BTW ...Thanks Ruskie

[Ruskie]

Coincidental that you mentioned the Nathaniel White who died in 1862. I have just been looking at that GRO death and wondering whether or not I should fork out for the certificate.

After revisiting all the Nathaniel Whites, I reckon this chairmaker is the most likely candiate for Nat's real father. Not that the d/c will give us any clues of course. Or maybe it will ....  [I am wishfully thinking ... perhaps ... "informant: Nathaniel Bryceson, son"  ]

Ann? Bible lady? Um ... still not sure, but you might be able to talk me around.  There are several possible Ann Fox deaths between 1851 and 1861 .... 

PS. I will thank Mongibello from all of us. 

[Ruskie]

I have heard from Mongibello, and it's not good news .... He wrote:

Sadly, the Mary Ward who died in the December quarter of 1847 in St James and was registered with the index 1-113 was not Nathaniel's mother.   This one died in the Poland Street workhouse on 8 December; weeks after "our" Mary was buried.

He is going to have another look at the burial register for further clues.

I am going to try again with the GRO for a death of Mary Ward with husband Matthew Ward. 

[Ruskie]

I have placed another order with the GRO for a d/c for Mary. Despatch date 8 Jan.

Last known address was a compulsory field, so I just wrote "Middlesex". For "occupation", I wrote "wife of Matthew Ward", which is the only place on the form I could add this information.

I hope they can find her with these details ... 

[deb usa]

Ahhh  Ruskie ...That's too bad! Please thank Mongibello!

went back on the thread and what about this one:


Her mother, Granny Shepard lived in Richmond buildings but died in the infirmary, her death was reg. in St Pancras ....
so another possible...

Mary Ward
Dec 1847
Pancras London
1 328

deb

[Ruskie]

Yes, Deb - that is a possibility - I am hoping that my vagueness on the GRO order will pick up that one?  I suppose the trouble with the broad search is that you don't really know what they have checked and dismissed .... and why.

It might just be me, but I do wonder how thorough the GRO staff searches are.  Human error and all that ...

Now I am worrying that Matthew may not have been named as her husband on the certifciate, and I might end up getting my money refunded again. I would have liked to have been able to tell them our Mary's date of burial, which would probably have helped in the search, but there was nowhere I could do that ....

We will see in a few weeks.