Which Thomas is it ?

[temiro tawa]

    I'm trying to find more solid info on the birth and the parents of the correct Thomas Hallam ,  the father to these children below.  I have an estimated birth and details from what I have been told.  He may have been a twin. I believe I may have found him in the 1871 Census, where he shows up, occupation... bricklayer,  with 3 of the children, so presumably married abt 1863- 67 . I understand he may have emigrated with the family around Feb 1874 at age 30 . Can someone please give me his correct birth details/ cert,  and his father and mothers details ? He was no doubt a Thomas as well.  I am stuck with so many Thomas Hallams. Not even sure of his marriage details.
   
 
    Thomas HALLAM
        Birth 20 Sept 1843 in At Lambs Lane, back of St Marys, Nottingham, England, U.K.
        Death 22 July 1926 in Moturoa, Taranaki, New Zealand

MARRIED ........................

    Lucy NEWTON
        Birth Mar 1845 in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England, U.K.
        Death 6 Feb 1924 in Cheltingham, New Zealand

   

  Age 30, Feb 1874,   Emigration
        From England to Auckland, New Zealand
        On the ship " Ingerham " with at least 3 children.

       
    Age 31,  29 Jan 1875 ......  Arrival
        Auckland, New Zealand
        Horrific voyage, Death of 3 of his children on route to New Zealand

   
    John Mark Hallam. 1864 – 1865
    Kezia Hallam. 1866 – 1874
    Eliza Hallam. 1867 –
    Charlotte Hallam. 1869 – 1872
    Lucy Hallam. 1870 –
    Shereiger Hallam. 1872 – 1872
    Lawrence Hallam. 1873 – 1874
    Baby Hallam. 1874 –
    Hannah HALLAM 1875 – 1944     Hannah born in Auckland, New Zealand on the 22 Sept 1875



Thanks for your time.

 

[Alexander.]

Hi

May I ask where Thomas's birth date and place of birth come from?

To progress with certainty, you really need to find out Thomas's father's name, from his marriage certificate. He married in 1864:

Radford St Peter, Nottinghamshire marriage
24 Jul 1864 - Thomas HALLAM & Lucy NEWTON

There are some kind people on the Notts board who may be able to look up the marriage in the parish register for you. That would save you buying the certificate.

Alexander

[garstonite]

Couldn`y find his baptism but this looks like him in 1861 census...
maybe someone can get the family up as he is with them as "son"

Thomas Hallam
census
1861
aged 18
relationship to household    son
Sneinton ,Nottingham
Registration district   Nottingham
Sub District 2 St Mary
Ecclesiastical Parish    St Mary
Civil Parish    St Mary
County   Nottinghamshire

allan

[Alexander.]

It's hard to say whether that's the right one, as there are several Thomas Hallams living in Nottingham born around the same time. The one you mention was the son of Robert and Harriet, but there's another Thomas of the right age living with his parents in Sneinton (son of Thomas and Eliza), and another one in prison in Nottingham.

Alexander

[temiro tawa]

Thanks guys for helping out.

Alexander,                   My mother gave me that birth info, plus this......( apparently the mother never made it into the hospital itself, born in the back lane behind, at 3pm, when the time is given at birth it means there are twins.)  but that's all I have to go on. Thanks for the marriage details, will see if I can get further with that.........  Here's the 1871 Census that works out, showing him to be born in 1842.    Can we find a 1851 Census that matches his 1842 birth date?

Piece:    3522 Folio:    132 Page Number:    4

Thomas Hallam    29 b Nottingham
Lucy Hallam    29
Eliza Hallam    4
Charlotte Hallam    2
Lucy Hallam    5 Months

Allen,        How can we be certain?  For a while I have gathered the possibilities. need to know for sure so I can push further back.  Marriage cert for Hannah ?

I truly appreciate the help,

Jon.

[sparrett]

Is this the NZ death?
If so the given name is not quite correct.

1926/3409 Hallam
John Thomas
82Y

Have you ordered a printout of this registration in order to get family names?

Sue

[temiro tawa]

This is what I have for Thomas's death.

Death - 22 July 1926.  Age 83.
    Moturoa, Taranaki, New Zealand
    Burried at Waverley, New Zealand

Does that correspond?  Is this the same person?  no I haven't but that's a damn good idea. You guys are awesome.

Jon

[garstonite]

It's hard to say whether that's the right one, as there are several Thomas Hallams living in Nottingham born around the same time. The one you mention was the son of Robert and Harriet, but there's another Thomas of the right age living with his parents in Sneinton (son of Thomas and Eliza), and another one in prison in Nottingham.

Alexander

ELIZA as a firstborn would point towards the Thomas and Eliza in Sneiton  in 1861 census that Freckneale has found ...most couples named their children after themselves or their parents names ....

[temiro tawa]

OK,

Have a printout of the death cert now from N.Z. It is as below....

1926/3409 Hallam
John Thomas
82 Years of age

Mothers name is Catherine Hallam, no maiden name details
No father details.