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Re: The Poots Family - getting a bit confused and need help
« Reply #18 on: Monday 28 January 13 16:34 GMT (UK) »
You said she was born 1864- do you not have her birth certificate? If not, where did you get the year of birth from?
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Re: The Poots Family - getting a bit confused and need help
« Reply #19 on: Monday 28 January 13 19:18 GMT (UK) »
hi aghadowey, i have sarah's marriage cert. i had a local geneolagist start my family tree . i found out that sarah and her husband died in 1909 and there 3 children was boarded out to a thomas and margaret chalmers at fauldribbon rd girvin ayrshire so i am also trying to find out margaret chalmers maiden name to see if she was sarah's sister but no luck yet.

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Re: The Poots Family - getting a bit confused and need help
« Reply #20 on: Monday 28 January 13 19:58 GMT (UK) »
If the birth year of 1864 is taken from a Scottish certificate then it might be slightly out. Civil registration of births started in 1864 but some early births didn't get registered.
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Re: The Poots Family - getting a bit confused and need help
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 29 January 13 14:00 GMT (UK) »
It could possibly be that William Potts and William Poots are the same person. We are descended from his second marriage to Eliza Anne Mckeowan.

Right on my family tree so far, we've found Thomas Poots (1876), Annie Poots (1879) and Margaret J Poots (1879) and William John Poots (1867) so it's helpful to see we've missed a couple out.

Cathy52, do you have a marriage certificate for your William John Poots and Mary Scott? Because we are pretty sure he married this Mary Lannigan at Seapatrick church, the geneologist at Banbridge tourist information agreed with us, as the occupation and name of the father matched up and the family church was Seapatrick church for a few generations. So when it came up that he was fathering children with a Mary Scott, I was getting a bit confused as to whether Mary Lannigan and Mary Scott were the same person or not.

Aghadowey, you haven't by any chance come across a marriage record for Mary Scott and William John Poots have you?

Cathy52, I don't know if it helps but this is the information I have on my William John Poots, which I'm fairly sure is the same person you are researching. Btw, I know you shouldn't go by family lore but according to a relative of mine (who may not be the most trustworthy) the joke was the he was a bit of a dodgy character and was a bigamist, hence part of my interest in trying to unravel how many wives etc. I have that he married Mary Lannigan on 27th March 1864, witnesses were Adam Mercer and Anne Curry. His occupation at that time was a hotel servant. The Banbridge geneologist told me that there were only two hotels in Banbridge at that time and one of them was pretty close to his house, so it was probably that one...his possible place of work is still there btw, but I can't remember the name of it right now.

On 10th October 1893 he remarried, to Eliza Anne Mckeown. I've seen the original marriage certificate but don't currently have a copy. The Minister was John E Browne, witnesses were Henry John Harris and Mary Jane Russell. In 1893, he was a labourer in Banbridge. In 1901 his address was 11 Mary's Row in Banbridge - you can find this information on the census. The house he lived in is no longer standing, it was rebuilt into a newer council estate in the 1970's. In 1901 he was an agricultural labourer. He couldn't read or write according to the census.

He went on to have seven children with Eliza Ann Mckeown - Eliza Ann Poots (1870), William John Poots (1895) died in WW1, Robert Poots (1897) died in WW1, Olive Poots (1899),  Margery Poots (1900), David Poots (1902 - we are descended from him) and Andrew Poots.

He died in 1908 aged 63 and we think he was buried in an unmarked grave in Banbridge town cemetary with two adults and one infant. When I had an appointment with the registrar at Banbridge council office they found that he had purchased this particular unmarked grave and the addresses added up, but they couldn't find the specific record in the book so I had to go by the cemetary record which just has the surname Poots and how many adults and infants are in the grave. It was row F, but I can't remember the number right now. If you are planning to visit, I can try and hunt it out for you but there's nothing to see there. Just in case you are interested, I know the grave for Thomas Poots is there as well, so it's not him in the grave.

I hope some of this information helps, if you want further back I have some more information on previous generations but as I'm researching the generation back at the moment myself, I'd rather verify everything before I pass it on as fact.
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Smith's of Beadnell/Berwick-upon-Tweed/Ord
Hastie's of Berwick-upon-Tweed
Vosts of Newcastle-upon-Tyne
Poots of Northern Ireland
Hydes of Northern Ireland


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Re: The Poots Family - getting a bit confused and need help
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 29 January 13 16:01 GMT (UK) »
You can search for a possible marriage - Irish civil registration index online at www.familysearch.org- search for bride and groom separately then see if you can find matching registration details.
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Re: The Poots Family - getting a bit confused and need help
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 29 January 13 23:31 GMT (UK) »
hi christiek, i will have a look and see what cert i have. im just thinking william poots or potts maybe changed his name every time he got married if he was a bigamist.he seems to have used a lot of the same names for his children whith the different wives he had,it seems when my gt grandmother was born in 1864 he was getting [married] to mary lannigan the same year, his last child that i know of was born 1880 who was margaret jane, now i'm getting confused, ??? will have to check all the info that i have,how many marriages have you found for him. i would love any info you have on the poots[potts]i have been thinking about going to visit banbridge some day, will let you know if i have marriage cert. i'm confused about who's children are who's ha ha.  :D

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Re: The Poots Family - getting a bit confused and need help
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 30 January 13 19:34 GMT (UK) »
I think you both be making things more complicated than they really were.

To start with you need to get the 1893 marriage for William John Poots to Eliza Ann McKeown to find out if he's listed as widowed or single.

Then, if in 1893 he was a widower, the 1864 marriage with Mary Lannigan to vertify that her surname is really Lannigan, her father's name and occupation, etc.

I think Mary Lannigan/Scott are the same person and his 2nd wife was Eliza Ann McKeown but you need to check in case that isn't correct.

Re: sarah's birth c1864- I think she might have been born just before or around the time of the 1864 marriage and either wasn't registered or registeration under mother's maiden name if before the marriage.

You also need to see if church records survive and then check for baptisms, burials and anything else in the church records.
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Re: The Poots Family - getting a bit confused and need help
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 30 January 13 20:05 GMT (UK) »
Okay Aghadowey,

Thank you.

I have seen the information they have in Banbridge records for the Mary Lannigan marriage, her fathers name is Thomas Lannigan and he's an agricultural labourer. And she is listed as Lannigan.

Hence my confusion as to why he's then fathering children with a Mary Scott.

There's only one William John Poots of that age though, so I'm thinking it is the same one and he names his kids pretty much the same names. The only way we'll know though is to apply for the certificates. This'll be the first record I've paid to order, been very lucky in that my Granny has the majority of the original records, but not this one or further back on this side of my family tree.
Knox's of Bamburgh/Wooler/Scotland?,
Smith's of Beadnell/Berwick-upon-Tweed/Ord
Hastie's of Berwick-upon-Tweed
Vosts of Newcastle-upon-Tyne
Poots of Northern Ireland
Hydes of Northern Ireland

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Re: The Poots Family - getting a bit confused and need help
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 30 January 13 21:59 GMT (UK) »
hi christiek, no i havent got marriage cert for william poots [potts]and mary scott.i dont know that much about the poots[potts] family just bits and pieces would love to find out more .i was hoping when you have time if i could pm you with my email address if you could forward anything on to me. i am going to apply for the marriage cert for william and mary scotts marriage. i am going to go through my records tomorrow and see what info i can find. i've even wrote to the few potts that still live in banbridge to see if they were related to william and mary, only had 2 reply's back. will let you know what i find out. :)