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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #108 on: Friday 16 November 12 00:32 GMT (UK) »
... incidentally, I wasn't able to find death or funeral notices for Mary Ann BROWN (1913) / William BROWN (1914) - though sometimes they're tucked away in the advertising columns.      Only found the "Bereavement Thanks" - "Evening Post" - 26 September 1913 - page 1 -- W. BROWN .. thanking hospital staff re: his wife Mary Ann BROWN.

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« Reply #109 on: Friday 16 November 12 01:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi again Patsy

Precis of the Will of James DONNELLY - died at Wellington, 22 June 1900 :

[Probate File:  Archives NZ ref:  AAOM 6029 W3265 Box 126/ Record # 7014  ]

WILL of James DONNELLY - dated 25 March 1898 (at Wellington)

*   Appoints Public Trustee as Executor

*   Directs ... that my property at Martin Square, Part Section 229 in the City of Wellington, be available for the use of my wife Mary Ann DONNELLY absolutely, during her life, to receive all rents, profits and income from same.

*   (Upon death of Mary Ann DONNELLY) ... my Executors to sell property with proceeds for the three children (or their issue) of my brother Samuel DONNELLY, formerly Mounted Constable in the Police Force in the Colony of South Australia.
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Probate granted to the Public Trustee (NZ) - 25 July 1900
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Included on the file was an Affidavit concerning the death of James DONNELLY, dated 22 June 1900, whereby Marshall John Mason DONNELLY, clerk of Wellington, attested that he had known the deceased, James DONNELLY.
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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #110 on: Friday 16 November 12 02:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi Luc.
Mariage states: 26 Nov 1901 William Brown (Baker) age 54 widower Aug 1885 bn Hertfordshire UK father William Brown (baker) mother Mary Ann Brown formerly Crabb.
Mary Ann Donnelly age 47 widow 22 Jun 1990 bn Co Wicklow Ire, Father William Fox farmer mother Ellen Fox formerly Sutton
Witnesses Mary Cronin wife of Maurice Cronin Broadway Terrace Wellington
Norah McCarthy Cambridge Terrace Wellington hotel keeper.

Sorry no it didnt say anything about Mary Ann previously being Mason although it lists her surname as Donnelly. Places of residence just noted as Wellington for both of them

Wonder when the Wgtn city roll was made up??? Mary Ann and William Brown were living at same address but James Donelly was listed at another?? if  made up BEFORE James died in June then something amiss as I would hardly think he would leave his property to her if she was living with another man???? However as you say could be business addresses and maybe Mary Ann had  a boarding house ??  Its all getting to be a bit much really lol.

I will email the cemetery and see what information I can get about the burials etc.

AND I wonder why Marshall John didnt get anything from the WIll?  it seems he had quite a lot to do with James so thats strange isnt it? - more and more confusing as I look at it?? :o  cheers

HAMLETT - SCOTT - ELLIS - EXLEY - GRAHAM - WELLS - JONES - PILKINGTON - BROWNING - WHEELER - BADGER - LOVEGROVE - ORCHARD - HERBERT - BADGER - BUDGIN - MUGGERIDGE - PATES - PAISH - HARPIN - STACEY - CARTER (UK) ELLMERS - GRASHOFF - VOGELSANG - BECKMAN - GIESCHEN (Achim German) MCMILLAN - ADAMS - BALLENTINE - FORDE - FAULKNER - MCNELLY - KANE - DORAN - BURKE (in Ireland) MORRISON - ROBERTSON - MCINNES (in Scotland)

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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #111 on: Friday 16 November 12 03:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi again Luc
VERY fast resonse from Karori cemetery they send me info that says UNPURCHASED plot whatever that means and that the Funeral Director/Customer was MORRIS if thats any help. no other information for either burials just name date and age.  cheers Patsy
HAMLETT - SCOTT - ELLIS - EXLEY - GRAHAM - WELLS - JONES - PILKINGTON - BROWNING - WHEELER - BADGER - LOVEGROVE - ORCHARD - HERBERT - BADGER - BUDGIN - MUGGERIDGE - PATES - PAISH - HARPIN - STACEY - CARTER (UK) ELLMERS - GRASHOFF - VOGELSANG - BECKMAN - GIESCHEN (Achim German) MCMILLAN - ADAMS - BALLENTINE - FORDE - FAULKNER - MCNELLY - KANE - DORAN - BURKE (in Ireland) MORRISON - ROBERTSON - MCINNES (in Scotland)


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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #112 on: Friday 16 November 12 04:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Patsymac,

I suspect UNPURCHASED meant that the city paid for the grave. I've struck this before with a pauper's grave at Karori.

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STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #113 on: Friday 16 November 12 04:42 GMT (UK) »
thanks Spades just had another reply from Karen at Karori she told me "We have a lot of unpurchased plots here in the Cemetery from years ago, so not uncommon really.  Just the family didn't purchase it, not like today where you need to purchase a plot prior to a burial."    Maybe it meant they didnt have the money?? not too sure - cheers
HAMLETT - SCOTT - ELLIS - EXLEY - GRAHAM - WELLS - JONES - PILKINGTON - BROWNING - WHEELER - BADGER - LOVEGROVE - ORCHARD - HERBERT - BADGER - BUDGIN - MUGGERIDGE - PATES - PAISH - HARPIN - STACEY - CARTER (UK) ELLMERS - GRASHOFF - VOGELSANG - BECKMAN - GIESCHEN (Achim German) MCMILLAN - ADAMS - BALLENTINE - FORDE - FAULKNER - MCNELLY - KANE - DORAN - BURKE (in Ireland) MORRISON - ROBERTSON - MCINNES (in Scotland)

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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #114 on: Friday 16 November 12 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Luc.
Mariage states: 26 Nov 1901 William Brown (Baker) age 54 widower Aug 1885 bn Hertfordshire UK father William Brown (baker) mother Mary Ann Brown formerly Crabb.
Mary Ann Donnelly age 47 widow 22 Jun 1990 bn Co Wicklow Ire, Father William Fox farmer mother Ellen Fox formerly Sutton
Witnesses Mary Cronin wife of Maurice Cronin Broadway Terrace Wellington
Norah McCarthy Cambridge Terrace Wellington hotel keeper.

Sorry no it didnt say anything about Mary Ann previously being Mason although it lists her surname as Donnelly. Places of residence just noted as Wellington for both of them


Hi Patsy

OH MY GOSH !!    ::)

Hmmm ... just looked at NZ Marriages  ... AND found >>

James DONNELLY - Mary Ann FOX -- 1864

[So, it would seem it might be this Mary Ann DONNELLY who James has referred to "as my dear wife", in his will ?? ]

Back to the drawing board methinks.

 

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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #115 on: Friday 16 November 12 23:05 GMT (UK) »
BUT ... the Mary Ann DONNELLY who marries William BROWN (1901) states she is 47 years [bc 1854 ]  .... (or was she older ?).  [Would need to have been to have married James DONNELLY in 1864 ???  ]


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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #116 on: Saturday 17 November 12 00:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi Luc, getting confusing isnt it?? Although age may be incorrect if vicar didnt write it down correctly and she may have taken 10 years off her age cause William Brown was only 54. Doesnt help with John Mason's Mary Ann though does it??? did she get involved with James Donnelly? obviously if Marshall said that he favoured his step father. So she never married William Brown so what happened to her?? There is no death that fits for a Mary Ann Mason for after James died.  No deaths for a Mary Ann Donnelly after 1900 that fit either grrrrrrr  HOWEVER there is a death for a Mary Ann Mason in 1897 aged 66 which would be correct time frame (b1831) so now have to find out where that death was registered will ask on list and see what comes up.  Or have we done that?? cheers
HAMLETT - SCOTT - ELLIS - EXLEY - GRAHAM - WELLS - JONES - PILKINGTON - BROWNING - WHEELER - BADGER - LOVEGROVE - ORCHARD - HERBERT - BADGER - BUDGIN - MUGGERIDGE - PATES - PAISH - HARPIN - STACEY - CARTER (UK) ELLMERS - GRASHOFF - VOGELSANG - BECKMAN - GIESCHEN (Achim German) MCMILLAN - ADAMS - BALLENTINE - FORDE - FAULKNER - MCNELLY - KANE - DORAN - BURKE (in Ireland) MORRISON - ROBERTSON - MCINNES (in Scotland)