Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857

[Lucy2]

I notice that the website owner (ngaire edith) has added the following comment accompanying the "Indian Queen - 1857" list.

"... the number after each name is the number of promissory notes signed" .

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That however was not the way I interpreted the information when I viewed it.   

The head of the family group was named ...

  e.g.   SMITH - John

alongside of which was a number

   e.g.   5678  ... followed by another number - say, 5682

That allowed you to work out that ...

   John SMITH was number 5678 and his family group consisted of persons numbered through to "5682".

  =   John SMITH accompanied by 4 other persons.

[As far as I am aware, the head of the family group would sign just the one promissory note (on behalf of all family members accompanying him.) ]

[I used the list I compiled on a number of occasions for people seeking look-ups wanting to know how many immigrants were in a particlar family group.   In all but about one instance, the numbers totalled those known to have travelled with the named head of the family group.]

Have just added this for clarification for any others who at some later date may be looking for "Indian Queen" info (there is at least one other thread on the topic, in this forum].

  ~  Lu
 

 

[patsymac]

Thanks Janette for that marriage it is something I will keep handy until I hopefully find that John came from Derbyshire???  I must look for children of the marriage between then and 1857 just in case
If he is mine then there maybe more children to the family I only have those that were born here in NZ. Five born between 1862 and 1869

Also thanks to Lu and again Janette for that link I have been there and yes John Mason is on it which is wonderful but that is all the information there is and he has the number 4 after his name so does that mean there were four family altogether or that he signed 4 Promissory notes?? Still will keep searching and see what comes  up.  thanks heaps again.  I have checked out the old thread re the Indian Queen
cheers and thanks all
Patsy

[patsymac]

Meant to ask Lu do you think that the County of origin may have been something that you noted on your list or would that not have been available on the papers that you transcribed from?
cheers
Patsy

[Janette]

Hi Patsy,

There may well be a couple of children born before they arrived if that marriage is the correct one.
I see on NZ BDM's there were 2 John and Mary Ann Mason's having children between 1862 and 1889, with 2 children worn in 1868.

it may be worth having a look here
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Cheers Janette

[patsymac]

yes trap for players those two families. However I have managed to sort them out thank goodness.  I will checkout the poss births in the UK but still need to KNOW if its my family otherwise its a wasted effort.  Sadly there are TWO possibles in the 1841 census for John Mason (father John) I found that marriage you noted on Family Search which was great)  so have noted both although The 1851 census doesnt throw up anyone that matches.  However the chase is half the fun isnt it 

[Lucy2]

.... that link I have been there and yes John Mason is on it which is wonderful but that is all the information there is and he has the number 4 after his name so does that mean there were four family altogether or that he signed 4 Promissory notes??

Hi Patsy

Just to save me repeating, please refer to to my explanation and interpretation, at Reply # 9.   

[I believe that only the heads of families would be required to sign a promissiory note - and that that would be on behalf of wives, minors (children). ]

   ~  Lu 

[Lucy2]

Meant to ask Lu do you think that the County of origin may have been something that you noted on your list or would that not have been available on the papers that you transcribed from?

Hi Patsy

No sorry, County of Origin was not noted.
As I said, the list held by Archives at Wellington, from which I transcribed details, is not an actual passenger list.
 
The "Indian Queen" passenger list appears to have been lost - Archives New Zealand don't have it - and the Wellington Library's list of passengers (which by no means includes all who were aboard and for the most part records only adults), was, I understand, compiled by NZSG members from two newspaper items naming passengers who'd signed a testimonial to the Captain of the vessel.

[The only other thing I recall was that a handful of the immigrants (males), had notes alongside of their names, giving brief details of their future employers, or indicating which district (in the wider Wellington region), they intended taking up residence. ]

I'll have a dig around to see if I still have have my original notes [though have a feeling they may have gone "west" in a recent tidy-up. ]   

  ~  Lu   

   

[patsymac]

Thanks again Lu .
Would appeciate it if you did find the list Lu but can understand if you dont, having just did the 'clean up' myself and wonder if stuff I threw SHOULD have been kept. trouble is the mountain groweth!! 
so need to trim it occasionally.  cheers Patsy

[Lucy2]

Hi again Patsy

Along with others here, more than happy to try to help you with this brickwall.  

Need some further info from you though, please.

*   Can you give details (names of, y.o.b's) for the children of Mary Ann and John MASON.  [Often "naming patterns" can assist when checking UK census returns.]

*   I see that John Mason died as a result of an accident.   Did his death cert. note whether an Inquest had been held ?

*   Any further info you can supply for Mary Ann MASON (wife).  
 [Or was she the Mary Ann MASON who died in 1874 ? ]

  ~  Lu