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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #135 on: Monday 19 November 12 20:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi Patsy

Happy to have been able to help you out with this.  (Always love these extra challenging ones).   :D

Mmm ...  have now just found that son William and his wife Ellie were also in Christchurch for a time.   ;)
Sadly there is a death of their small child, Marshall John, in 1896 (buried also at Linwood) ... and there may have been other children born to them in ChCh ?? ... so it's possibly worth hunting through the Library Index cards.

NZ Birth

1894 - MASON - Marshall John
Parents:   Ellie Gertrude and William MASON

[NZ BMD online has other births from 1884 which could be for same couple  ... but with spelling of mother's name given as "Ellen" / "Helen" and ~ maybe "Ethel Gertrude" (child Ethel Maud born 1885) ??  ]

The son "Albert William" (1889 - parents: Ellie & William) I found living in Gisborne with his mother in 1914.  He went on to marry and have a child, but his life ended tragically.

William MASON though is a bit of a mystery still ?   [Last on e/roll at Chch in 1911 ... wife and son in Gisborne from 1914, ... and wife still showing up as "married" ?? ]

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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #136 on: Monday 19 November 12 20:26 GMT (UK) »
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Star" (ChCh) - 6 April 1896 - Deaths   (Also in "Press" - same date)

Death Notice for Marshall John MASON aged 2, s/o Ellie and William.
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Albert William MASON married Jessie Livingston FERGUSON -- 1921

Albert William was an accountant in Gisborne.   His tragic death was reported in >

"Evening Post" - 21 September 1931    (Also "Auckland Star" of same date)

 

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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #137 on: Monday 19 November 12 20:33 GMT (UK) »
Burials at Gisborne :

Ellie Gertrude MASON - died at Gisborne aged 62 years.

She was buried at Taruheru Cemetery (Gisb.) on 20 March 1924.
[No headstone according to cemetery record. ]

Also in same cemetery (another plot) >

Albert William MASON - 42 years - buried 21 September 1931
[Photo of plaque recording "William Duncan MASON" - whom I believe was Albert's son. ]

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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #138 on: Monday 19 November 12 20:57 GMT (UK) »
From E/rolls :

MASON

1896 & 1900 - ChCh Roll - at 106 Tuam Street
In 1900, William is listed as a commission agent

1905-06 - ChCh East Roll

- Ellie - housewife
- William - advertising contractor   ... at 56 St Asaph Street

1911 - ChCh East

Ellie - married - living at 343 St Asaph Street  ... can't see William MASON ?

1914 - East Cape - Gisborne roll

MASON - Ellie - Stafford Street, Whataupoto - married
MASON - Albert William - same address - clerk
[No - William MASON ]

[Note:  She is always shown just as "Ellie" MASON in e/rolls ]

 


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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #139 on: Tuesday 20 November 12 02:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Luc - yippee, bingo, yay and all that jazz
Yes it is my Mary Ann. Nothing in the card index but we local genealogists have of course noted all the local headstones for all public and church cemeteries.  So got out the big book for Linwood and the first Mason was Marshall John who died aged 2 as you correctly found. Next one not her but the next one was and here is what is said.  Mary Ann Mason wife of John Mason late of Wellington !!! (hows that for confirmation??) d 7 Feb 1897 age 66 also her grandson William Alfred son of William and Ruth Douglas died 30 Jul 1915 age 39.  Believe it or not I had this death noted in my notebook from way back and got sidetracked.  I had also noted Marshall John Mason because of the name so had him definitely.  Yes William and Ellen  must have been here in Christchurch because Marshall was born here 21 May 1894/ They sure got around they were married in Napier in 1884 and they were in Auckland in 1918 as that is their address when notified that their eldest son William was killed in WWI.  I have for sure only a further 2 daughters Ada and Lavinia.  I havent actually looked for their deaths yet.   Then went across the road to Archives and read the Will for James Lindner.  He left all to "my dear wife" Ruth Lindner for her use absolutely though she to take care of buildings and property in her lifetime. Then he left it all to his nephew Percy Watts of Auckland (Percy was also his executor) so he obviously didnt have any children of his own and I presume it is our Ruth Mason he is referring too?  All in all a VERY successful morning, then went and had lunch with a friend for his birthday so full to the brim as well   :)    I have already sent away for Mary Ann's death reg I really hope her parents and place of birth are noted.  I will digest the other bits you have sent me and try and get them into a timeline for fitting in and see what becomes of that.  Again you have been marvellous and I cant thank you enough for your help. cheers from a horrendously wet North Canterbury (forecast said showers and sunshie !!) another Tui ad  ;D
HAMLETT - SCOTT - ELLIS - EXLEY - GRAHAM - WELLS - JONES - PILKINGTON - BROWNING - WHEELER - BADGER - LOVEGROVE - ORCHARD - HERBERT - BADGER - BUDGIN - MUGGERIDGE - PATES - PAISH - HARPIN - STACEY - CARTER (UK) ELLMERS - GRASHOFF - VOGELSANG - BECKMAN - GIESCHEN (Achim German) MCMILLAN - ADAMS - BALLENTINE - FORDE - FAULKNER - MCNELLY - KANE - DORAN - BURKE (in Ireland) MORRISON - ROBERTSON - MCINNES (in Scotland)

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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #140 on: Thursday 22 November 12 00:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Luc, rec the copy of Mary Ann's death reg today and sadly not a lot of information. However it does say her father's name is John Marshall a Coal miner (never rely on deathreg her marriage says her father is William??) doesnt give place of birth or marriage its all unknown sadly.  However it did give the ages and sex of the children which helps.  The two sons were  36 (b1861 William) 34 (1865 Marshall John) and the four daughters were 40 (1857 Ruth?) 38 (1860 Elizabeth Ann) 34 (1863 Mary Ann Elizabeth) and 30 (1867 our Helena Augusta) So the family seems to be Ruth, Elizabeth, William, Mary Ann (still looking for marr for her)Marshall and Helena.  It sems I may need to really try to find her baptism either in Derbyshire or Nottinghamshire and hope something comes up.  Again thanks heaps for all your help cheers Patsy
HAMLETT - SCOTT - ELLIS - EXLEY - GRAHAM - WELLS - JONES - PILKINGTON - BROWNING - WHEELER - BADGER - LOVEGROVE - ORCHARD - HERBERT - BADGER - BUDGIN - MUGGERIDGE - PATES - PAISH - HARPIN - STACEY - CARTER (UK) ELLMERS - GRASHOFF - VOGELSANG - BECKMAN - GIESCHEN (Achim German) MCMILLAN - ADAMS - BALLENTINE - FORDE - FAULKNER - MCNELLY - KANE - DORAN - BURKE (in Ireland) MORRISON - ROBERTSON - MCINNES (in Scotland)

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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #141 on: Thursday 22 November 12 03:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi agin Luc found Ruth Lindner death and burial so have sent for her death reg and hope that it gives some more information.  cheers
HAMLETT - SCOTT - ELLIS - EXLEY - GRAHAM - WELLS - JONES - PILKINGTON - BROWNING - WHEELER - BADGER - LOVEGROVE - ORCHARD - HERBERT - BADGER - BUDGIN - MUGGERIDGE - PATES - PAISH - HARPIN - STACEY - CARTER (UK) ELLMERS - GRASHOFF - VOGELSANG - BECKMAN - GIESCHEN (Achim German) MCMILLAN - ADAMS - BALLENTINE - FORDE - FAULKNER - MCNELLY - KANE - DORAN - BURKE (in Ireland) MORRISON - ROBERTSON - MCINNES (in Scotland)

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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #142 on: Thursday 22 November 12 21:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Luc, I have put everything on paper and was re reading everything and thought !! oh dear, oh dear oh dear!!!.     IF the Mary Ann MASON noted in the newspaper as having ended up in dire straights etc etc etc then her husband John MASON died in 1869 HOW COME her youngest child is ONLY TWO YEARS OLD???   obviously NOT a child of John's as the child would have been born in 1872 ?  I checked on BMD and there is a John Middleton Legget MASON born in 1872 mother Mary Ann father not recorded could this be the 2 year old????  I seem to be finding more questions than answers (sigh)  :D   cheers
HAMLETT - SCOTT - ELLIS - EXLEY - GRAHAM - WELLS - JONES - PILKINGTON - BROWNING - WHEELER - BADGER - LOVEGROVE - ORCHARD - HERBERT - BADGER - BUDGIN - MUGGERIDGE - PATES - PAISH - HARPIN - STACEY - CARTER (UK) ELLMERS - GRASHOFF - VOGELSANG - BECKMAN - GIESCHEN (Achim German) MCMILLAN - ADAMS - BALLENTINE - FORDE - FAULKNER - MCNELLY - KANE - DORAN - BURKE (in Ireland) MORRISON - ROBERTSON - MCINNES (in Scotland)

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Re: Passenger list for INDIAN QUEEN 1857
« Reply #143 on: Friday 23 November 12 11:12 GMT (UK) »

IF the Mary Ann MASON noted in the newspaper as having ended up in dire straights etc etc etc then her husband John MASON died in 1869 HOW COME her youngest child is ONLY TWO YEARS OLD???   obviously NOT a child of John's as the child would have been born in 1872 ? 
I checked on BMD and there is a John Middleton Legget MASON born in 1872 mother Mary Ann father not recorded could this be the 2 year old????  I seem to be finding more questions than answers (sigh)  :D   cheers

Hi again Patsy

I was also curious earlier about that newspaper report (letter to editor "Evening Post") - 28 November 1874 - giving ages of Mrs Mason's children as 13 / 11/ 9 / 7 and 2 and a half.   Certainly, the ages of first four stack up pretty well as being Mary Ann and John's children, but I wondered too if PAGE (the letter writer), did know for sure that the youngest was in fact a child of Mary Ann's ?   Unfortunately we've only got that one item to go on.   :-\

I checked the Birth microfiche records a while back (as there was also a Harriet MASON b. 1871 with a mother Mary Ann and father N/R. ??)

MASON - Harriet - birth reg'd. 1871
MASON - Harriet - death reg'd. 1871  ... both events reg'd. at Wellington


MASON - John Middleton Leggett - mother, Mary Ann - father N/R
... Fiche # 549 (Year 1872) -- registered at Wanganui.


As we know, anything is possible.   :D    So could be Mary Ann was residing in Wanganui for a time ??   
Can't see anywhere just what became of that child.

   ~  Lu