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Offline Sean O Callaghan

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Re: Where is Sundays Well?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 15 June 05 21:49 BST (UK) »
The fact that the father of the baby stood by her, as it were, would have gone down well.  Any records which have to do with Institutions and anything to do with the health board are normally, as far as I know, kept by the Cork Archives Institute, which is in Christchurch, South Main St, Cork City- Tel 0214277809- but they would not look them up for you.  If they have the records, and you will need to phone to find out, then you wil either have to look at them yourself or try to get a researcher to do so on your behalf.  Being a Convent and a Catholic Institution, there is a possibility that the archive institute might not have the records, but you could contact the Diocese of Cork and Ross (they have a website) or, perhaps, the Good Shepherd Order itself, if it still runs a convent in Cork or elsewhere in Ireland.

Of course we are assuming that the Convent was indeed her place of residence, but it seems likely on the balance of probabilities that it was, especially if she was pregnant before marriage- a very big issue indeed in those days.  The Convent was also an orphanage and the Cork playwright, Frank O'Connor has written a harrowing and very moving account of his mother's upbringing there in a short story entitled "Mother".  If you can get this story, it will give you a great many details of life in the Convent and it paints a wonderul pen picture of the area around it, an area I know very well and love very deeply.  It is a magical area, full of memories and stories for me, and I love to go there and walk its streets and lanes.  The story would also give you a good idea of the kind of life the young child born to your family in that Convent likely escaped, owing to that father playing his part.

The Reuben immediately makes one think of Jewish roots, but it is also a name used in Protestant circles.  When I first read the names of your ancestors, they struck my Cork eye as having much more of a Protestant than a Catholic look about them- but that is just instinct more than anything else.  I may be wrong.  Growing up in strongly Catholic Cork, where Protestants were very thin on the ground indeed, one was always immediately aware of Protestant sounding names!  But that would not fit in with the possibility of your ancestor being in that Convent.

Ceallachain

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Re: Where is Sundays Well?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 15 June 05 22:47 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I will check out the Cork Archives. 

Your Cork eye is good! That line was not catholic.  They were anglican.  Does that mean she would not have went there then?

Thanks so much
Karen
 
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Re: Where is Sundays Well?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 15 June 05 23:03 BST (UK) »
It now opens up a doubt in my mind re the Convent, I have to say, but it is not impossible, just unlikley, that a Protestant would be placed in a Catholic Convent- especially at that time, when the twain just did not meet!  However, if nothing else was available......  However, I am inclined to think that Protestants would have had their own institutions.  Nevertheless, the first line of enquiry re the convent makes most sense! There is another possibility, though.

There are other Convent Places in Cork, but your documents definitely say  Sundays Well.  Sundays Well itself, however, was a very Protestant area, with many big houses which served the wealthier and merchant classes of Cork.  It also has what used to be a large Protestant Church a stone's throw from the Convent.  Might it be possible that in her state she went to stay not at the Convent but with Protestant friends of the family to hide away until her time came, hence the different addresses?  This kind of thing was also very common amongst the wealthier classes who certainly would not end up in an Institution like the Good Shepherd Convent, which would mainly have been for the much poorer classes.  Sundays Well itself even today is a very elegant area, with houses fetching a small fortune.  It was very much a wealthy enclave in the late 1800s, early 1900s and populated by the more well-to-do professional classes, particularly Protestants.

I know that we are only surmising right now, but either of these two scenarios looks feasible to me, but if they were Protestants, then the second looks most likely.

Ceallachain

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« Reply #12 on: Thursday 16 June 05 04:35 BST (UK) »
I guess what I need to find out is what was at 5 Convent Place, such as a private residence or a convent.   I believe I was told she was a maid.  Her father is listed as a farmer on her marriage certificate, so I don't believe she came from money.

Her brother and sister are the witnessess on the marriage certificate, if that means anything.

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Re: Where is Sundays Well?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 16 June 05 07:02 BST (UK) »
Being a farmer in Ireland does not necessarily mean being unmonied, believe me, especially a Protestant farmer! :-)  Why not check out the 1901 and 1911 census returns for that address and get a handle on who was there?  When I go to Cork in July, I will walk up to Sundays Well to see if anything remains of no.5.  Do you live in Ireland yourself or in the UK?

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 16 June 05 13:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Ceallachain

I live in Ontario, Canada.  I will put out a request for the 1901 & 1911 census on the board and see if anyone has the information.  I thought I would call the Library in Cork today as well to see if they have any old directories that may help as well.  Thanks very much for the offer, that would be great if could do that next time you are in that area.

Karen
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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 16 June 05 23:30 BST (UK) »
No prob. The library might indeed have some info.  There are also postal directories available, I believe, but I do not know for which years.  I'll try to take a few photos while I am there too, of Sundays Well as a whole and of the house if I find it.  Have you ever been to Cork?

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« Reply #16 on: Friday 17 June 05 00:07 BST (UK) »
Thanks, that would be great.

No, I have never set foot on Irish soil.  One day soon I hope to be able to come over and see it for myself.  I was planning on coming this past spring, but I had a 3rd baby instead, so that put my trip on hold for a bit.  Well worth it though!

I phoned the library today and I have to call the fellow back tommorrow.  He was going to look in the directories for me.  I gave him the address and what I was looking for.  I will let you know what I find out.

Karen
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Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
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Etheridge - Gloucestershire

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« Reply #17 on: Friday 17 June 05 01:09 BST (UK) »
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