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Offline silverhouse

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« on: Saturday 20 October 12 17:42 BST (UK) »
Hi all have you got a Shoveller in your family tree it is  it is not a job name they live in Glasgow
Murdoch and brown striling
Murdoch barony Glasgow
mc lenaghan Glasgow/antrim

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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 October 12 18:01 BST (UK) »
Sorry not got a shoveller in the tree and I guess anyone whose job it was to shovel loose grit, gravel, coal, etc., would fit the bill.

If your ancestor lived in a mining community there's a helpful page here which goes into great length about it.  I've not seen such a good description in any of the Scottish mining sites.

http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/coal_lumpers

<There were five categories of coal lumping work. The shovellers, winchdrivers and planksmen worked on the collier or hulk that was carrying and discharging the coal, and carriers and trimmers worked on the ship that was receiving the coal or being 'coaled'.

Coal lumpers' tools were basic: shovels, baskets, boots, ropes and their own brute strength. The 'gear' on the collier, which included winch, rope (called the 'fall') and baskets, had to be rigged so that the coal could be shifted from down below up to a suitable level on the deck for moving it into the ship that was to be coaled. The baskets were attached to a hook, which was fastened to the fall, which was run through a pulley and a winch on the deck above the hold. ........ more
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 October 12 18:28 BST (UK) »
1901 census has this family


Albert N H Shoveller 33 Head born England occ marine engine fitter
Mary Shoveller 30
Charles Shoveller 6
Henry N Shoveller 3 Mo
Clara A Shoveller 20 sister born Glasgow

Address 209 Baltic Street

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 20 October 12 20:16 BST (UK) »
If your ancestor lived in a mining community there's a helpful page here which goes into great length about it.  I've not seen such a good description in any of the Scottish mining sites.

A coal lumper was not a mining occupation, at least not in Scotland - the link you give refers to dock labourers.


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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 October 12 12:52 BST (UK) »
If your ancestor lived in a mining community there's a helpful page here which goes into great length about it.  I've not seen such a good description in any of the Scottish mining sites.

A coal lumper was not a mining occupation, at least not in Scotland - the link you give refers to dock labourers.
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sorry about the mining reference I did know it was about ships (it said so) and I lived in the port of Hull.  I haven't the foggiest notion why I typed mining but think this old brain picked up on the reference to "collier".   

Looks like I've moved on from wondering why I'm in the centre of a room trying to remember what I was in the middle of doing  ;D
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke