1851 look up please?

[danielletd]

White family in Middlesex. Ann White (mother) born approx 1811 and daughter Caroline born approx 1850. Father unknown sorry. That is all I have, except ann white may be  a tailoress?

[karenlee]

Hi

This is a possible...

1851 Census England Middlesex Bethnal Green
HO107/1540/389/45
3 Hinton Street

WHITE
Francis Head Marr 40 Butcher Middlesex Bethnal Green
Ann Wife Marr 39 Tailoress Middlesex Clerkenwell
Jane Dau Unmarr 14 Dress Maker Middlesex St Andrew Holborn
Louisa A Dau Unmarr 12 Scholar Middlesex Shoreditch
William T Son Unmarr 10 Scholar Middlesex Aldermanbury
Thomas Son Unmarr 8 Scholar Middlsex St Andrew Holborn
Francis Son Unmar 6 Scholar Middlsex Stepney
Sarah A Dau Unmarr 3 Middlesex Stepney
Caroline Dau Unmarr 1 Middlesex Whitechapel

Cheers
Karenlee

[karenlee]

Starting to wonder if Francis was actually a Tailor.  There are several  marriages for children who could be those I listed previously on the 1851 Census, who state their father is Francis WHITE Deceased, a Tailor.

What do you think of these two on the same day...


Marriage Register
St Phillip Stepney
Tower Hamlets
Sept 10th 1866

Henry BOWMAN 22 Bachelor Compositor of 11 Nelson Street Father = Joseph BOWMAN Vetinary Surgeon

Sarah Augusta WHITE 19 Spinster of 83 Nelson Street Father = Francis WHITE Dec Tailor

Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Samuel William JULIER who made his mark and Caroline Hasting WHITE

William John WHITE 25 Bachelor Mariner of 83 Nelson Street Father = Francis WHITE Dec Tailor

Elizabeth Catherine MC CARTHY 17 Spinster of 83 Nelson Street Father = John MC CARTHY Dec Labourer

Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were James John WOOD and Emma BOWMAN

Karenlee

[jennifer c]

By 1861 he is at 12 Charles Street and he is a Tailor born Scotland.

Jennifer

[danielletd]

Wow thanks both. I can't get to my records at the moment but I am sure my ancestor is Caroline Hastings white, I left that out as I wasn't sure if that was a birth name or a name she acquired on marriage. So Francis white the tailor mentioned on the marriage record will be the correct father, and therefore he was a butcher in 1851. It would be a great coincidence for two different Francis whites in the same area to have daughters of the same names who were also the same ages. This is great and I can't thank you both enough, a tailor and a butcher!

[Eyesee]

St Andrew Holborn
1836 May 22, Jane Scott, d/o Francis & Ann WHITE, Fetter Lane, Tailor, born May 6

When she marries Samuel JOYCE on 23 Jan 1856 at St Phillip's, Bethnal Green, she gives her father as Francis White, Tailor. The witnesses are Francis White and Ann White.

The family were at Fetter Lane, Holborn in 1841. Francis was a tailor, and birthplace is given as Scotland, which tallies with 1861.

Ian C

[jennifer c]

Perhaps the enumerator got it wrong in 1851?

Jennifer

[Ladyhawk]

I am sure my ancestor is Caroline Hastings white, I left that out as I wasn't sure if that was a birth name or a name she acquired on marriage. So Francis white the tailor

Marriage 2 Nov 1869 St Mary Rotherhithe
Caroline Hasting White minor father Francis White occ Tailor
William John Lambrick full father John occ Bag & V? Maker
Wits Thomas Creed & Jane Joyce Annie White

 Caroline's widowed mother with her 1881
 
1881 RG11; Piece: 817; Folio: 43; Page: 7
116 Parsons Rd Croydon
William J Limbrick 34
Caroline H wife 31 Mile End Middx
William S G 11
Francis B 8
Thomas A 3
Anne WHITE mother in law Wid 70 Clerkenwell Middx Tailoress
William Johns 40

here's Caroline's birth entry

Caroline Hasting White Sep 1849 Whitechapel vol 2 page 589

[Ladyhawk]

possible marriage for Francis & Ann you would need a birth certificate of one of the children to confirm mother's maiden name

Pallots marriage index
Francis White = Ann Sutton St Brides 1833

1 Jul 1833 St Bride Fleet Street
Francis White to Ann Sutton both single, of this parish married by Banns
 with consent of father in the presence of John Sutton & Lucy Rebecca Sutton
From Parish Register

Interestingly there’s another Francis White on 1851 census

Francis White 48 born Scotland occ Tailor
noted as married
he’s lodging Duck Lane Canterbury with Jarrett family transcribed as JANDT
 HO107; Piece: 1624; Folio: 143; Page: 26

Here’s the full details of the
1861 census 12 Charles Street (jennifer c)

RG 9; Piece: 268; Folio: 25; Page: 32
Francis White 59 Scotland Tailor
Ann wife 49
Thomas son 10 Lab.
Francis dau 16 
Augusta dau 14
Caroline dau 12
Lucy White cousin 37
All others born London

not sure if this is the same family in 1841

1841 HO107 P 724 Book 2 Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn   ED 2 F 13 Page 21
Fe?t?r Lane
Francis White 35 Scotland Tailor
Ann 25
Jane 5
Ann 3
William 6mths
all others born in this county

there's this baptism
Ann Jane White 11 Jan 1835 St Andrew Holborn born 22 Aug 1834
Parents Francis White occ Tailor & Ann abode 7 Richards Building

ADDED for info

there are a number of public trees on Ancestry with Caroline Hasting White gives
her parents as Francis White & Ann Sutton

Francis White born 24 Sep 1801 Drfesdale Dumfries Scotland his parent  William White b1785 Jean Scott b3/1/1789 Perth her parents Thomas Scott /  Janet Smith, married 1 Jul 1833 Ann Sutton b1812 her parents John Sutton b1775 / Rebecca Bligh b1780
List F & A  children’s names, censuses, some baptisms & some marriages etc…..