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Re: 'Roma' passenger list 1833
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 03 March 16 00:05 GMT (UK) »
An information sheet on Probate:

http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/informationsheet-probate.pdf

You can contact State records and they will advise you about obtaining a copy:

http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/archive-collection/reference-queries

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Re: 'Roma' passenger list 1833
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 03 March 16 02:10 GMT (UK) »
TROVE is working better today and here is a link to an advertisement re his estate. The same advertisement is repeated a number of times.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/211858607

Accounts of his death -  - name given Samuel LEMON.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/211855191

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37813590

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/25707519

There is also a Coroner's verdict on his death
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/211855256

His estate was valued by the Curator of Intestate Estates - Samuel Lemon, Northam £7 10/;
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/90403389

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Re: 'Roma' passenger list 1833
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 03 March 16 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you again to those who have again assisted in my query.  I found some records on trove but other people were able to find others that have thrown more light on Samsons time in Australia. known also as Samuel.

I wish he had married and The Lemon line had continued in Australia.  He seems to have had a bit of a hard life really.  I note he was living in "camp" when he was transferred to the hospital, I presume he must have always lived in those kind of lodgings or various boarding houses.

He worked for the famous Ruabon Brick Company and I do wonder if he was assured of a job in Australia, although he did travel free on steerage.  He was single, 21, his mother had just died, his sisters all married and moved away and there was just him and his elderly father left.  His father died in 1884 at about 84 years of age.  He was still working as a Telegraph Messenger in the little town of Ruabon, North Wales. Samson arrived in Australia in 1883.

It has been such a fascinating journey over the last couple of days, and again thank you to all those who have helped me on my voyage!  Jenny

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« Reply #21 on: Friday 04 March 16 00:34 GMT (UK) »
It's nice to find what happened although it seems he did not have a very fulfilling life.  It would be interesting to know how he finished up in Northam which is literally from one end of Australia to the other - over 5000 km, having already come from one side of the world to the other.

If he was buried at Northam there does not appear to be a headstone for him.  I guess if you only left 7pounds 10shillings...........................

http://northamcemetery.atwebpages.com/index.html

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Re: 'Roma' passenger list 1833
« Reply #22 on: Friday 04 March 16 11:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Judith,  I have been wondering the same myself.  My Australian Geography is not great. I live in S W Scotland now. However I see he wa arrested for being drunk and disorderly in Petersham in 1892 reported in Sydney Herald.  I am not sure whereabouts that is will try and check it out.  He was a brick makers foreman according to a report into his death at Millingtons I think, but he still lived in camp.  He was a bit of a step up from a casual labourer if he was a foreman and I have read earlier reports and he held that position when giving a report into a shooting. I would imagine there was a great deal of building going on in Australia at that time which is probably why he came out in the first place, maybe he heard about opportunities from the brickworks in Ruabon where he worked.  Maybe his mothers death affected him, he had 4 sisters and he was the baby of the family, sure they would have made much of him but they had all married by 1881 last census report of him over here and started their own families. He seems to have been a nice mannered lad certainly when younger he was injured at Bowers Brickworks about 1874, be only about 12 or 13 then and he was in hospital for 12 weeks so must have been a serious injury.  He wrote to the local paper thanking the hospital for his care and named various people in his letter who had been very kind to him during his stay in hospital.  I puzzled over his name, he was born Samson Lemon, later Lionel was added as a middle name.  He came from a family of very recent Jewish background.  His father had been a devout Jew, (know this from Liverpool Archives Synagogue Records) till he married out of the faith, I think it was a desperate measures marriage, although from other things I have read/researched I believe it to have when they both settled down to have been a happy marriage. Samson appears to have changed his name to Samuel unofficially I presume, I wonder if that was to escape from possible Jewish connections.  I do wonder though like you, why he did not settle in one place, I am not sure there would have been a lack of job opportunities in the brick trade at that time.  I wonder why he did not marry as again he was a step up from a labourer.  I think some of his behaviour stems from the hard life of a single man with no stable home and a hard job as well.  I don't suppose we will ever know.  I don't think as he was British he would have had to apply for naturalisation.  I looked at the cemetary records and there is nothing for him which is a bit sad.
He must have been buried in an unmarked grave and even though he only left £7, that was worth a lot more than it would be nowadays. Jenny

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Re: 'Roma' passenger list 1833
« Reply #23 on: Friday 04 March 16 11:57 GMT (UK) »
NSW sighting !

Sands Sydney Alphabetical directory 1890
Samuel LEMON, painter,  8 Vine St Redfern.   

NB, Like Redfern, Petersham is a suburb of Sydney, both on the same Western railway line. 

http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory  annual directory from 1858 to 1933  :)  :)  :)

NB, from the 1892 Suburban Streets Directory the person at 8 Vine St Redfern was listed as Andrew ALPIN.  and from the 1891 Trades Directory under "Painter" there's no one with a surname anywhere near to Lemon or Lennon or similar.

Sands 1895
Samuel LENNON,  16 Little Albion St

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Re: 'Roma' passenger list 1833
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 05 March 16 16:58 GMT (UK) »
I have been having a quick look at the records for Australia on Ancestry as well.  There are not many.  Now I know the death details for Samuel Lemon are correct as one of the inquest recordings I found states Samson or Samuel Lemon and the brickyard foreman would be correct as that was his trade.  I note there is a Samuel Lemon over Sydney way as per directory a painter as per another kid reply.  I am wondering if this is the same person?  There is also a Samuel Lemon came over in 1874 according to the immigration lists.  This will not be Samson Lemon of 1883 as we have been discussing who went over on Roma.  I will just have to check the other information I hold though as to whether it relates to Samson also known at death certainly as Samuel (both names given) or the other Samuel Lemon who was I think born about 1834.  I think what I have is okay, but possibly not the directory entry, but then who can say? He does not have a marked grave at Northam, but I presume he would be interred in an unmarked grave there and I can write to Northam Cemetery and ask about an unmarked grave?  Jenny