Jennis/Gennis family

[Edrubava]

Hello all

I've been deliberating as to whether to post this or not, but thought it worth a try.  I have read about the difficulties of tracing family members in the London area here on rootschat, so if there is no possibility of finding records, then I hope someone will let me know.

My problem is for death records of several members of the family - from the '61 onwards.  I'll just mention one here to see if it is possible to find any trace of her death - Jane Jennis/Gennis b. Ireland around 1808. Is with husband and family around Tower Hamlets up to the '61 but then I can't find any death record or any trace of her 

Could anyone help?

[KGarrad]

None of the family appear on the 1861 census?

Maybe they are back in Ireland?

[Edrubava]

Sorry - all the family are together in '61, then husband William and one daughter Martha are together in '71.  Some of the other family members have married by then, but two daughters - Betsy/Elizabeth and Francis/Fanny - also disappear.  Or I can't find their marriages?

[Valda]

Hi

There are difficulties in tracing burials in the London area after the closure of the churchyards in central London in the 1850s, but unless the name is very common it should be possible to trace deaths through the General Registry Office civil registration index. With common combinations of names that is more difficult knowing which one is which, as it is in any city area in the country, but obviously compounded by the sheer population size of London.

There is a Jane Gennis and family in Mile End Old Town on the 1841 census HO107 712 Bk1 Folio 37 the spelling switches to Jennis on the 1851 census in St Botolph Aldgate in the City of London HO 107 1524 folio 306

1861 census in Whitechapel the spelling is Gennis RG9 274 folio 201 William, Jane's husband William is a widower in 1871 surname spelt Jennis, still in Whitechapel RG10 526 folio 13 therefore unless Jane died while away visiting you would expect her death to be registered in Whitechapel registration district sometime between the two censuses, but not necessarily in the spelling expected.
There is a Catherine Gennis death registration in 1862. Mix ups do happen at the time of registering deaths between bereaved relatives and the registrar in earlier registrations.
Have you found William's death registration? Is he on the 1881 census RG11 451 folio 66 as Geinees in St George in the East and remarried? There is a daughter Louisa aged 16 but it is possible she is his second wife's daughter? There is a marriage of a William Jennis widower and shoemaker in Clapham in 1872 to Emma Maria Wright widow.


Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi

11th April 1869 St Philip Stepney
George Thomas Maggs 21 Bachelor Wine Cooper 8 John Street John Maggs Deceased Engineer
Frances Jennis 23 Spinster 8 John Street William Jennis Bootmaker
Frances made her mark
Witnesses William Jennis and Jennie Veal


Regards

Valda

[jennifer c]

Martha is show as Jennis on 1871?, she had married Rasmus Lawson 1/8/1865 St.Geo in the East and the child appears to be her daughter.

Jennifer

[Edrubava]

Many thanks Valda and jennifer c 

Apologies as I had a senior moment about Frances - I do have her marriage but then she disappears as Frances Maggs.

Thanks Valda for the other info - William (William and Jane's son) married Catherine Donovan and they had a son (William!) who survives (my g grandfather) and two daughters that died as infants - then Catherine herself died in 1865.  Hers and her daughters are about the only deaths I can find.

Jane's husband William's death is another that I can't find.  He doesn't appear after the '71.

And yes Jennifer, Martha does marry a Rasmus Lawson (mariner) and has a child Jane Lawson, but she is living with her father William in the '71, also Jane, but she is now a Jennis??

Very confused.  But with such an uncommon name I would have thought I would be able to find more of the deaths 

[Valda]

Hi

Are you sure William senior is not the man I gave the reference for in 1881?

1881 census RG11 451 folio 66
9 Mary Ann Street St George in the East
William Geinees 74 Head Married Bootmaker Cork Ireland
Emma Geinees 55 Wife Married Smithfields Middlesex
Louisa Geinees 16 Daughter Servant St George in the East

Louisa possibly being a stepdaughter and not a daughter - Louisa Wright

1st April 1872 Christ Church Clapham
William Jennis Full Age Widower Shoemaker Clapham William Jennis Captain of Merchant Vessel
Emma Maria Wright Full Age Widow Clapham George Henry Balgue  ? clerk
Both signed
Witnesses Chas ? And Annie ?

Emma Maria's first marriage was to Gilbert Wright 11th April 1852 St Botolph without Aldgate. They had a daughter Louisa Sarah baptised at St George in the East in 1865

Emma Maria Jennis' death was registered in London C registration district in December quarter 1891 aged 64
It doesn't help much in trying to find her on the 1891 census.


Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi

1883 June quarter
London C registration district
William Jenness aged 74
Volume 1c Page 36


Regards

Valda