Charles Holland 1796 - 1869 Witney

[jc26red]

Did a quick search in 1851 for a Samuel Holland in Oxford, there is one with a birth c1780, birth location Oxford and he was also a TAILOR!  He is a widower living on his own in Blackfriars Row, St Ebbe's parish in Oxford.


HO107 piece 128 folio 280 page 20

[aimz1462]

Hi Jenny and thanks  for welcome

That samuel looks interesting but he doesnt match the samuel holland above as that samuel had only 2 surviving children charles himself and a younger sister elizabeth. plus the birth date is out for him. unless he is a sibling of my charles which would mean that the parents given by DebbieG would be for a different family. also the samuel given above died in 1812 so wouldnt exsist on any census and would also explain the witness' at my charles and elizabeth marriage.

The samuel you found could indeed be a sibling (going on birth year/place and occupation) which would mean i would still need to find the parents of charles.

Charles did indeed have a son called samuel and naming after a father seems to be quite consistant throughout my tree.

Think I am still very confused with this one :/

[jc26red]

I was thinking more inline as an older brother to Charles and Elizabeth, there is a huge gap between 1775 and the first baptism found at St Peter Bailey    You generally look for births about 18mths - 2 years apart.  If no children can be found, I would start looking for a death for the first Elizabeth and a remarriage to a second Elizabeth sometime before 1785.

A first born son named Samuel makes alot of sense to me also the fact that Charles was a tailor as was Samuel born 1780.  Then of course Charles also names his son Samuel after his father.

Parents Samuel and Elizabeth married in 1775 Ascott under Wychwood

George was bapt 1785 St Peter Bailey Oxford
Elizabeth 1788
Charles 1794
Elizabeth 1798

Now to find out where the parents were between 1775 and 1785, might hold a clue!

[aimz1462]

I see where your coming from now! 10 childless years, seems extreme, so looking more closely at elizabeth may be a clue if there is a death date leaving samuel to marry yet another elizabeth then to have children with her. But wouldnt a second marriage show up in the surname search of the parish record? if it exsisted? worth getting the parish record for myself? Cannot see another way of finding out where they were or what they were doing in the 10years in between marriage and the bapt. of George and cover 2 different parishes (chipping Norton and oxford).
Not quite sure how i can progress with this side without the cds or waiting a few more months for the records to come online (which according to oxford record office should be about feb/mar time.) feel completely lost with this side now

[jc26red]

Spring next year isn't long to wait, I'm sure you can find a few other bits and pieces to sort out.... I'll send you some certs I have on the Anderson line, that will keep you out of mischief for a while 

[aimz1462]

hahaha i look forward to that! My brother now wants a full update of everything, so showing him around the tree will take a while! i may look further into the franks line aswell as that so far has me captivated lol

[DebbieG]

Hi - me again,

Good point about the time lapse,  so I dug a bit more

From St Ebbs, Oxford (OFHS)

baptisms
1778 Dec 23 Samuel s/o Samuel & Elizabeth Holland
1782 Oct 11th Charlotte d/o Samuel & Elizabeth Holland

I could'nt see any Holland burials in this parish but there are two or three marriages which might fit

1801 Samuel Holland to Mary Keen - witnesses Richard & Samuel Holland
1801 Ann Holland to John Wade
1807 Charlotte Holland to James Lines (lodgers)
witness Elizabeth Holloway

 

[jc26red]

I have stuff on the Franks too 

[DebbieG]

Oh by the way Aimz - I hate to break the news but Oxford isn't one parish,  it's more like 20 seperate ones,  which why I didn't see these yesterday - they are on a different disk.