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Re: Albert Edward CAIN
« Reply #54 on: Friday 19 April 13 07:22 BST (UK) »
Thank you Bubs. You have confirmed what a couple of us had found.  Are you prepared to give us your grandmother's name as we may be able to locate she and Albert on the electoral rolls.

Let's hope the information about Albert in the book is helpful.

Cheers
Cando
Yes my grandmothers name was Linda May Harmer  nee dent   she was born in Lithgow Nsw on the 25-12-1905


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Re: Albert CAIN ancestors?
« Reply #55 on: Friday 19 April 13 08:04 BST (UK) »
Thomas CAIN the gardener at Belmont/Geelong died 19 Apr 1870 aged 39
Reg #4210
Buried Geelong Eastern cemetery
Born KILK Ireland
Father named Patrick and mother named Bridget WHELAN.
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22 April 1870
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5818522

CAIN - On the 19th Inst., at Belmont, Geelong, Mr Thomas Cain, late of Kilkenny, Ireland, half-brother to the late Miss Margaret Macdonnell, formerly of Castlemaine, aged 39 years. RIP.

17 Feb 1870
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5812693

THE Friends of the late Miss MARGARET McDONNELL are respectfully invited to follow her remains to the place of Interment, Melbourne General Cemetery.

Death 1870

Margaret McDONALD
Aged 24
Father:    Michael
Mother:    Bridget WHALAN
# 2127

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Re: Albert Edward CAIN
« Reply #56 on: Saturday 20 April 13 10:11 BST (UK) »
Sorry to be jumping around on this thread.  I have also made progress with Thomas CAIN and his family but will post what I have found later.

Thank you Bubs. You have confirmed what a couple of us had found.  Are you prepared to give us your grandmother's name as we may be able to locate her and Albert on the electoral rolls.

Let's hope the information about Albert in the book is helpful.

Cheers
Cando
Yes my grandmothers name was Linda May Harmer  nee dent   she was born in Lithgow Nsw on the 25-12-1905

Bubs perhaps you have misunderstood my question....who was Betty and Victoria CAIN's mother ie your maternal grandmother?  Was it Lottie [Frances Charlotte BLANCHFIELD]?

Is this your Linda?   More confusion!!  There is no birth registered in 1905/6.

4310/1907    
DENT Linda M       
Father Henry I  Mother M
District Kogarah

Marriages,  however is this the 1907 birth as the bride would be c15 years old.

9832/1922    
HARMER George T
DENT Linda M
District Rockdale

12349/1932    
MORGAN Lionel E
DENT Linda M
District Bathurst
   
and

Death
40681/1965    
MORGAN Linda May
Father Harry  Mother Martha May
District Lithgow

Some certificates are really needed.

Cando  :)
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Re: Albert Edward CAIN
« Reply #57 on: Saturday 20 April 13 10:26 BST (UK) »
Sorry to be jumping around on this thread.  I have also made progress with Thomas CAIN and his family but will post what I have found later.

Thank you Bubs. You have confirmed what a couple of us had found.  Are you prepared to give us your grandmother's name as we may be able to locate her and Albert on the electoral rolls.

Let's hope the information about Albert in the book is helpful.

Cheers
Cando
Yes my grandmothers name was Linda May Harmer  nee dent   she was born in Lithgow Nsw on the 25-12-1905

Bubs perhaps you have misunderstood my question....who was Betty and Victoria CAIN's mother ie your maternal grandmother?  Was it Lottie [Frances Charlotte BLANCHFIELD]?

Is this your Linda?   More confusion!!  There is no birth registered in 1905/6.

4310/1907    
DENT Linda M       
Father Henry I  Mother M
District Kogarah

Marriages,  however is this the 1907 birth as the bride would be c15 years old.

9832/1922    
HARMER George T
DENT Linda M
District Rockdale

12349/1932    
MORGAN Lionel E
DENT Linda M
District Bathurst
   
and

Death
40681/1965    
MORGAN Linda May
Father Harry  Mother Martha May
District Lithgow

Some certificates are really needed.

Cando  :)
yes that is my mums and Victorias  mum   she was born in Lithgow and passed away in Lithgow




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Re: Albert Edward CAIN
« Reply #58 on: Saturday 20 April 13 14:05 BST (UK) »
Linda's birth was registered in 1907 so possibly born 25 Dec 1906.  You didn't mention her two marriages.

Birth   
7887/1901    
HARMER George T    
Father Edward  Mother Maria
District Temora

Death
39400/1967    
HARMER George Thomas
Father Edward  67 years at Burwood
   
So Linda had a relationship with Albert CAIN in the late 1920's and then married Lionel Ernest MORGAN in 1932.

I can't see a divorce to 1930 - limit of online indexes
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=16

So your late mother married an ELLERY and then a McMILLAN.   Have I got it right now :)

You mentioned that Albert CAIN and his ?wife had two children who 'died young'.  Are you referring to his relationship with Lottie [Charlotte Francis BLANCHFIELD]?  I can find no marriage for Albert to Lottie and possibly they didn't marry as Lottie may have been still married to Albert Victor WHITEFIELD/WHITFIELD - he died in Melbourne in 1945 aged 58 years Reg#1388. 

Bubs have you purchased Albert CAIN's 1946 death certificate?

Cando  :)









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Re: Albert Edward CAIN
« Reply #59 on: Saturday 20 April 13 23:54 BST (UK) »
Linda's birth was registered in 1907 so possibly born 25 Dec 1906.  You didn't mention her two marriages.

Birth   
7887/1901    
HARMER George T    
Father Edward  Mother Maria
District Temora

Death
39400/1967    
HARMER George Thomas
Father Edward  67 years at Burwood
   
So Linda had a relationship with Albert CAIN in the late 1920's and then married Lionel Ernest MORGAN in 1932.

I can't see a divorce to 1930 - limit of online indexes
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=16

So your late mother married an ELLERY and then a McMILLAN.   Have I got it right now :)

You mentioned that Albert CAIN and his ?wife had two children who 'died young'.  Are you referring to his relationship with Lottie [Charlotte Francis BLANCHFIELD]?  I can find no marriage for Albert to Lottie and possibly they didn't marry as Lottie may have been still married to Albert Victor WHITEFIELD/WHITFIELD - he died in Melbourne in 1945 aged 58 years Reg#1388. 

Bubs have you purchased Albert CAIN's 1946 death certificate?

Cando  :)
I know now that it was albert edward cain that married minnie aylett and lost 2 children   not albert cain   moms dad

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Re: Albert Edward CAIN
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 20 April 13 23:58 BST (UK) »
Linda's birth was registered in 1907 so possibly born 25 Dec 1906.  You didn't mention her two marriages.

Birth   
7887/1901    
HARMER George T    
Father Edward  Mother Maria
District Temora

Death
39400/1967    
HARMER George Thomas
Father Edward  67 years at Burwood
   
So Linda had a relationship with Albert CAIN in the late 1920's and then married Lionel Ernest MORGAN in 1932.

I can't see a divorce to 1930 - limit of online indexes
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=16

So your late mother married an ELLERY and then a McMILLAN.   Have I got it right now :)

You mentioned that Albert CAIN and his ?wife had two children who 'died young'.  Are you referring to his relationship with Lottie [Charlotte Francis BLANCHFIELD]?  I can find no marriage for Albert to Lottie and possibly they didn't marry as Lottie may have been still married to Albert Victor WHITEFIELD/WHITFIELD - he died in Melbourne in 1945 aged 58 years Reg#1388. 

Bubs have you purchased Albert CAIN's 1946 death certificate?

Cando  :)
I know now that it was albert edward cain that married minnie aylett and lost 2 children   not albert cain   moms dad
and yes my mom  married jr ellery and then leonard mcmillan    i need to just wipe Albert Edward Cain  from This whole Project  his mather was James and his Mother Maria    Bubs

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Re: Albert Edward CAIN
« Reply #61 on: Sunday 21 April 13 02:16 BST (UK) »
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Bubs have you purchased Albert CAIN's 1946 death certificate?

Bub's I understand that the only information you really had about Albert CAIN when you started your research is that he died before you were born and now after eliminating Albert Edward CAIN [who had nothing about foot injuries in his service record] you now are claiming another Albert CAIN who did have foot injuries in his service record].  It is difficult researching from oral history as so often the information is inaccurate.  It would be helpful to have the information written by your Aunt Victoria in the hope there may be some small snippet of information to confirm what we have found. 

To help you [and the other researchers who have found so much for you] I have downloaded Thomas CAIN's death certificate.

Thomas died 19 Apr 1870 aged 39 years, in the Geelong Hospital.  His cause of death was "Fever Colonial" 2 weeks.   He was born in Kilkenny, Ireland and had been in Victoria for 18 years.  His parents Patrick CAIN and Bridget WHELAN.  Mary was the informant and signed with her mark X.  He was buried on 20 Apr in the Geelong Catholic Cemetery.

Mary GRAHAM stated they married in Melbourne when Thomas was 23 years old ie c1854.  I doubt there was a marriage and could be the reason none of their childrens' births were registered.  From the dates on the Zades web site for CAIN baptisms at Geelong, it is possible that some of their children were baptised.  Civil registration commenced in Jul 1853 and if Mary had claimed she had married in a rural area there would have been the possibility of the registration being lost in transit to the Victorian Registry in Melbourne.

Thomas and Mary had the following children at the time of his death.
Bridget 15 years; Christina 14 years; Catherine 11 years; Patrick 9 years; Mary Jane 6 years; Sarah Anne 4 years and Caroline 9 months.

May simply be a co-incidence of names, ages etc but this could be his arrival as an assisted immigrant
CAIN Thomas  20 years  Arrived Dec 1851 on the STEBONHEATH Book 5 Page   219

There will be more information on the fiche ie his nationality and possibly his occupation.

Cando :)



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Re: Albert Edward CAIN
« Reply #62 on: Sunday 21 April 13 04:19 BST (UK) »
A corruption of the surname CAIN ???
VIC marriages
Thomas MCKEAN and Mary GRAHAM
Married 1853
Reg # 1185

Essie