Albert Edward CAIN

[cando]

Essie you are not alone in wondering about that service file  

The research about the 1896 birth and 1946 death appears to have moved.   Perhaps we could help if Bub could give us some snippets about her grandfather from her aunt's book.  The WW1 service file number would also help us to help her with her research.

There is no Albert CAIN birth registered in 1896 in Victoria.

Bubs is this the WW1 service record you have
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=3184098&S=1&T=R

WW2 service summary
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=309063

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

Albert CAIN states he was born 8 Jul 1896 North Melbourne on Page 7 of the WW2 service file, however when he gave the information for his enlistment he stated on 6 Jul 1915 that he was 21 years and 1 month ie born Jun 1894.  I can find no birth for either year in Victoria.

Bubs can you help us with information from the service file you have please?

Cheers
Cando

[Dundee]

This Albert CAIN possibly had a brother Herbert CAIN who also enlisted.  Addresses and relatives are a match.

http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/3184246/

He misbehaved terribly but came good in the end and was awarded the Military Medal for gallant and conspicuous devotion to duty.

He married in England while serving and the details are on page 13 of the service record.  He says his father was Peter CAIN, an engineer.

Letters in Albert's service record show that he was in NSW in 1928 and 1938.

Bubs if you think that this may be your man from the information that you have, then we could probably puts our heads together and find out who he was.

I think it might be one of those families with some complicated relationships and would be a lot of work if he is not the right one.

Debra 

[bubs]

To everyone who is helping me with Albert  Cain  ,i am sorry have been out for awhile  and will be out for a bit longer  but hang in i will be back as soon as possible  Bubs.

Many Many Thanks so far.BUBS

[bubs]

This Albert CAIN possibly had a brother Herbert CAIN who also enlisted.  Addresses and relatives are a match.

http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/3184246/

He misbehaved terribly but came good in the end and was awarded the Military Medal for gallant and conspicuous devotion to duty.

He married in England while serving and the details are on page 13 of the service record.  He says his father was Peter CAIN, an engineer.

Letters in Albert's service record show that he was in NSW in 1928 and 1938.

Bubs if you think that this may be your man from the information that you have, then we could probably puts our heads together and find out who he was.

I think it might be one of those families with some complicated relationships and would be a lot of work if he is not the right one.

Debra  this is a very hard one to crack   will be back online in full in 3 weeks

[bubs]

Thank you all Debra Essie and Cando  and anyone i have missed   have not been on this sight for months till a week or so ago.
Albert s number was 3259A and   in the book it says he was buried in Rookwood  cemetery died 1946 

all i need now is to trace that family  and get a picture of his Grave    i am so thankful to all you kind people
Bubs

[Dundee]

Hi Bubs,

This is the only death for an Albert CAIN in NSW in 1946:

#24377
1946
CAIN, ALBERT
Father: PATRICK
registered at ROZELLE

The burial?

Rookwood Catholic Cemetery

Names: Albert CAIN
Service Date:  26 Oct 1946
Date of Death:    
Age:  50
Gender:  M
Register Number:  68830
Burial Type:  Burial
Location:  Section Grave Mortuary 2
Area: 14
Grave: 261

http://search.catholiccemeteries.org.au/

Debra 
 

[Dundee]

A summary of the personal info provided in the WW1 service records of Albert CAIN and Herbert CAIN (probably a brother or cousin):

Albert
http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/3184098/

Aged: 21 years 1 month on enlistment (6 July 1915)
Born: North Melbourne, Vic.
Date of birth: 8 July 1896
Next of kin (1915):  Aunt, Caroline BARTLETT, 234 Madeline Street, Carlton, Vic.
Next of kin (stated in 1938): Mrs. Ethel DAVIS/DAVIES, 365 Madeline Street, Carlton, Vic.
Address in 1935: 10 Collier Crescent, West Brunswick, Vic.
Address in 1938: 40 Flinders Street, Darlinghurst, NSW
Father: (named on death registration) Patrick

Herbert
http://dhistory.org/archives/naa/items/3184246/

Aged: 28 years 10 months on enlistment (29 Dec 1914)
Born: Carlton, Melbourne, Vic.
Date of birth: 23 Feb 1888
Next of kin (1914):  Aunt, Mrs. C. BARLEY?, 234 Madeling Street, Carlton
Next of kin: (1917): Mrs. E. BARTLETT, 234 Madeline Street, Carlton
Next of kin: (1917): Mrs E.E. CAIN, 6 Aberdeen Court, Maida Vale, London (wife, Ellen Eva CAPELIN, married UK in 1917)
Next of kin (stated in 1950): Mrs. C. DAVIS/DAVIES, 234 Madeline Street, Carlton
Address in 1950: 110 Collier Crescent, West Brunswick, Vic.
Address in 1967: 110 Collier Crescent, West Brunswick, Vic.
Father: (named on marriage cert):  Peter CAIN, Engineer, deceased
Possibly died in 1967, death reg. names mother as 'Bridget'.

Note that their stated dates of birth and age at enlistment do not match.

Victoria electoral rolls confirm that Caroline BARTLETT was living at 234 Madeline Street, Carlton in 1919.  Also at that address in 1919 was Ethel Louisa DAVIS and Edward Robert DAVIS.  This is probably the Ethel mentioned in Albert's service record.

Debra 

[Dundee]

Trying to establish Caroline's identity to then find her siblings.  A couple of events which may be relevant:

Born: 1895
Edward Robert DAVIS
Father: Edward Robert DAVIS
Mother: Caroline CAIN

Married: 1897
Edward Robert DAVIS
Carol CAIN

  Perhaps someone can have a look at the proper indexes to see if there is a place of birth for Carol(ine) CAIN on the 1897 marriage index entry?

  Perhaps someone can have a look for a possible death for Edward and a later marriage of Caroline DAVIS/DAVIES to a BARTLETT.  Possibly Arthur BARTLETT?

Caroline may have gone back to using the DAVIS name.  The 1924 electoral roll shows Edward Robert DAVIS and Ethel Louisa living at 172 Mitchell Street, Brunswick.  Also at that address was a Caroline DAVIS.  Herbert's service record does make a reference to "Mrs C. DAVIS."

Going with that idea, there is a death for a Caroline DAVIS in 1956 with parents Thomas CAIN and Mary GRAHAM.  She was aged 86.

DAVIS - On May 9, passed away at her daughter's residence, 5 Olive Street, East Malvern, Caroline, beloved mother of Edie (Mrs. Alexander), Edward, James (deceased), George, John, Caroline (Mrs. McAlpine), and Elsie (Mrs. Watson) (Private Interment.)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71802329

Other deaths registered with the same parents named:

Patrick CAIN, died 1928, aged 66

Ctina ERASMUSON, died 1934, aged 74

Debra