McGrath Family New Zealand

[BegClonrode ....]

Hello Sandy...

The second certificate certainly looks promising with it mentioning BURNS.

Does the certificate give the name of James BURNS' wife. Or of their residence.

And, just to clarify, apart from the 1901 ROGERS-MCGRATH marriage certificate is this 1874 baptism certificate the only other mention of the surname BURNS that you've come across (excluding on-line family trees)

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For what it's worth, keep in the back of your mind the Patrick and Margaret McGRATH of Doyleston that I mentioned in an earlier post. I think I'm right in saying that Doyleston is within the Lincoln registration district (but I may be wrong :-)

Have also added probate links to earlier post. Possibly think of asking for a look-up.

EDIT:

Another probate that may be connected. Maybe not :-)

Note surname is BURN, not BURNS. But Doyleston gets a mention.

BURN James (R23028836) 1918 - 1918 - Doyleston - Farmer
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23028836

May be BDM NZ Deaths - 1918/1178 - BURNS, James - 69Y - d.o.d 14 Jun 1918
Need to check fiche for location

Regards
Beg

[sandy feet]

Hello Beg,

The cert says SPONSOR – James Burns and below “his Wife”
What does this mean?

Yes the only mention of BURNS is on the 1901 marriage cert.

Regards Sandy

[Lucy2]

Hello All,
I have just received the 2 Baptism documents in the mail. The first
ID Code :    20603

McGRATH [alias TURNER] - Margaret   [Mrs Peter McGRATH ]

Date of Baptism :   14 December 1877

Parish Name :   Rangiora

Parish ID :  39
It does note that this was a “ Convert “ baptism and therefore this Margaret was an adult at the time. It also states that she was born Wednesday, 1st January 1800 which rules out both Margaret’s mother and daughter.

Hi again Sandy

I have some further info to add shortly re: the Margaret BURNS connected with Patrick McGRATH.  [I held it back earlier so as not to "confuse" the search for the McGRATH with links to Rangiora. ]
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But concerning the above baptism of Margaret (alias TURNER) (Mrs Peter McGRATH.

*  Was no explantion given to you along with this baptism certifcate, regarding the date shown as "1st January 1800" ??

I ask because, I have a similar baptism cert. from this same source (child born and baptised in early 1868 - with date of birth stated as "01/01/1800") and it came with an explanatory note as to this "odd" date.

[It may of course be that the Catholic Archives assumed that you had already read the notes accompanying their Baptism Index. ]

Anyway the following is what is written on the Catholic Diocese of Christchurch Baptism CD :

"Date of Birth given as '01/01/1800' is merely a computer generated date which should be interpreted as 'No Date Entered' : "

Which means that this Margaret (Mrs Peter McGRATH) should not be ruled out.   

  ~  Lu 





 

 

[Lucy2]

Hi Sandy

Is there further information contained in the (1877) Bapt. cert. for Margaret (alias TURNER (Mrs Peter McGRATH) ?

*   An address  ?

*   Name of sponsor (not sure if this applies in case of an adult ? )

  ~  Lu

[BegClonrode ....]

Hi again...

I'm beginning to think the Doyleston angle I was pushing is a red herring. Possibly not connected to the 1874 Lincoln baptism at all. Either that or the 1874 baptism is the red herring, even though it mentions BURNS.

I was just browsing PapersPast and saw a 1914 death notice for "James McGRATH, sixth son of P and M McGRATH of Doyleston". I'm pretty sure you'd have come across a mention of at least one of so many siblings in your research but you said earlier that you'd not.

The Press - 16 March 1914 - Page 1 - Deaths
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0s3c/

The notice also mentions a brother-in-law by the name of G.BLACKMORE. Most likely George BLACKMORE who married a Margaret McGRATH on 29 Jul 1897

BDM NZ Marriages - 1897/2041 - Margaret McGRATH to George BLACKMORE

They share a plot at Linwood Cemetery

Margaret BLACKMORE d.1916
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?id=27809

George BLACKMORE d.1940
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?id=107092

The Margaret BLACKMORE m.s McGRATH who died in 1916 was 42 so was born c.1874. According to the burial record she lived in NZ all of her life.

Regards
Beg

[sandy feet]

Hello Lucy and Beg,

The Baptism had no address but the sponsor was a Mary Boyd. Thanks for the info regardinding the other Doyleston baptism and the 1/1/1800 . Since neither of these Baptisms have any second names eg Beatrice it is likely the parents had second names and were not listed.

Thanks Sandy

[Lucy2]

Hi Sandy

Cheers for the clarification.   

Had just been in the process of posting a fairly lengthy explanation as to being able to rule out Margaret McGRATH (nee BURNS) the wife of Patrick of Doyleston.
Hit the "post" button just as your message came in ... and lost all I'd written !!
Grrrrrrr  .... there must be gremlins in the system here !!!    Will try again with an abbreviated version.

  ~  Lu     

[Lucy2]

Margaret (nee BURNS) and Patrick McGRATH came to Leeston and Doyleston (Canterbury) sometime after May 1871.

Prior to this they'd been Australia where several children were born in Queensland.

Queensland Births

Unnamed Child - born 12 July 1865 - Patrick McGRATH / Margaret BURNS

Bridget Agatha McGRATH - b. 24 March 1868 - died QLD 27 August 1868
- Patrick McGRATH / Margaret BURNS

Edmund* Francis McGRATH - b. 7 June 1869 - Patrick McGRATH / Margaret BURNES
[* Edmund was known as "Edward" in NZ and second name of Francis was dropped.  A brother named "Francis" was born 1877 in NZ. ]

Patrick McGRATH - b. 28 May 1871 - Patrick McGRATH / Margaret BURNS
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Have found school records for some of the children of Patrick McGRATH of Doyleston who attended at various times, the Leeston School and Leeston Catholic School.
[* Note:  The "dates of birth" given in these records are not always accurate. ]

Maggie McGRATH - d.o.b. 12 March 1874 - Admission to Lesston School 1880
[This is Margaret, the one you have the baptism cert. for.   ]

Edward McGrath - d.o.b. 11 June 1869* (should be 7 June 1868 )

John McGRATH - d.o.b. 10 November 1875 (also oddly shown as "25 October 1875" on one record ? )

Patrick McGRATH - d.o.b. 28 May 1871 (and on another record, 28 May 1870 ? )

  ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Edmund* Francis McGRATH - b. 7 June 1869 - Patrick McGRATH / Margaret BURNES
[* Edmund was known as "Edward" in NZ and second name of Francis was dropped.  A brother named "Francis" was born 1877 in NZ. ]
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                      ***     CORRECTION    ***   

Edward McGrath - d.o.b. 11 June 1869 1868* (should be 7 June 1868  1869)

  ^ ^ ^    ...   corrections to my earlier posting.   

      ~ Lu