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Re: Baptismal Sex-Discrimination
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 13 October 12 04:32 BST (UK) »
"Warwickshire Parish Records are Ancestry Copyright, from www.ancestry.co.uk "
Not so.  Ancestry cannot claim copyright on the parish records, only on their interpretation / transcription of them.

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Re: Baptismal Sex-Discrimination
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 13 October 12 05:07 BST (UK) »
......

However Jenny, you did well.
 
Warwickshire Parish Records are Ancestry Copyright, from www.ancestry.co.uk
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Good Point Dawn, and I doubt Ancestry has actually claimed a copyright for itself over/of any Parish Records.

May I also note that just because one acknowledges a copyright holder,  that does not mean that the copyright holder has actually given express permission for the work to be published by the person making the acknowledgement. 

Adding see this recent thread and Reply # 16
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,609669.0.html

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Re: Baptismal Sex-Discrimination
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 13 October 12 05:17 BST (UK) »
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Surely the images of the Parish Registers on Ancestry would subject to Ancestry copyright and can't just be downloaded and published elsewhere by someone else.

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Re: Baptismal Sex-Discrimination
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 13 October 12 05:29 BST (UK) »
I am looking at an Ancestry page now,

I quote from various parts of the page with the heading Warwickshire, England Extracted Parish Records"

"Source Information

 Ancestry.com. Warwickshire, England, Extracted Parish Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2001.
Original data: Electronic databases created from various publications of parish and probate records."

and futher down the page

"What should I know about this collection to access the data?
Some of the records may be in Latin or even a Welsh or Scottish dialect depending on location. The spelling is archaic, and is transcribed as it was written. There are many spelling inconsistencies and non-standard grammar. Phonetic spelling is often used. Try using variant spellings if a search yields no results.
 
The individual files in this database may not include all dates and records for each parish/church. Use caution in assuming that any database is a complete set of records--even for the parishes and time period listed. Due to the legibility of the original sources, there may be gaps in the records, including partial sentences, cut-off words, and other omissions.
 
Due to the nature of the records and because the records were originally compiled by a third party, it is difficult to absolutely verify the completeness and validity of the data. The information in this collection is as correct as it was when Ancestry.com received it, and has merely been reproduced in an electronic format." 

"merely been reproduced in an electronic format"   Ummmm.... I doubt that would be sufficient to claim a copyright of records that were originally compiled by a third party.....

I have looked and cannot see on that page where Ancestry.com.uk is claiming copyright ....

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Re: Baptismal Sex-Discrimination
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 13 October 12 05:50 BST (UK) »
Hi

Without looking through all the fine print I think copyright relates to images, layout, transcriptions etc as published on the Ancestry website rather than the subject material.

Copyright of the Parish Registers themselves is held by the Church

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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 13 October 12 08:29 BST (UK) »
Has Ancestry ever made waves about copyright ?  They seem to be pretty laid-back about the whole subject  :)
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Re: Baptismal Sex-Discrimination
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 13 October 12 08:37 BST (UK) »
quote author=andycand link=topic=619264.msg4679645#msg4679645 date= Hi
Without looking through all the fine print I think copyright relates to images, layout, transcriptions etc as published on the Ancestry website rather than the subject material.
Copyright of the Parish Registers themselves is held by the Church
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Right.  As pointed out in post #18.

Has Ancestry ever made waves about copyright ? They seem to be pretty laid-back about the whole subject :)
Would you like to test them?  They would probably only go after someone seriously if they thought they could get $$$ out of it.  Just the threat of legal action would be enough for the likes of most of us.

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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 13 October 12 08:43 BST (UK) »
I think people test them every day, Dawn.  The place is awash with photos and scans of dubious copyright which they actively encourage you to copy  :)
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Re: Baptismal Sex-Discrimination
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 13 October 12 09:50 BST (UK) »
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