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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 10 Episode 8 Celia Imrie
« Reply #54 on: Friday 12 October 12 14:28 BST (UK) »
This discussion has generated some pretty divergent views.

1. The comment that there was little genealogical proof given. True; but the lines of genealogical proof have been explored in other episodes and, for the general viewer rather than the experienced researcher, there must be a limit to the number of parish registers or census records that can reasonably be shown. I'd agree that the out-take on the genealogy probably deserved a mentionin the final cut.
2. Concentration on one part of history and a very few ancestors. True again (but after previous broadcasts people were bemoaning concentration on a handful of WWI soldiers). However this did explore a variety of sources which really are accessible to the public, e.g the State Papers in TNA's SP series and Lambeth Palace Library, and which provided a story of intrigue which shone a new light on that period of history for me, whether it be that family's history or the way that powerful families interacted in that period. For many of us this is about the farthest back we can get in our family trees, and understanding more of the forces that shaped Early Modern England is hugely helpful.
3. The need to edit into a shade under 60 minutes restricts what can be done, and I think we just have o accept this. To explain how a researcher got to find a particular document might take a very long time and not make riveting television. Also the need to ensure that each section is of broadcastable quality will inevitably cause re-takes of each shot and some rehearsal of the reading of the records. There's an interesting consequence here of using actors as the subjects of the programme.
4. I wonder how many people are researched in outline by the programme and then discarded as possible subjects? Perhaps because their ancestry reaches brick walls, or there isn't a story to discover that might make good TV, or because the person being researched already knows too much so can't follow a story of discovery and surprise, or because they simply don't fancy taking part?
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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 10 Episode 8 Celia Imrie
« Reply #55 on: Friday 12 October 12 15:18 BST (UK) »
Quoting an article on Wiki:

The show's producers generally examine 12 celebrities in their planning for a series. After research this is then cut down to 6 by eliminating those whose background is either uninteresting or too close to themes which have already been discussed in past episodes. Michael Parkinson has said that a planned episode about his ancestors was discontinued after six weeks when genealogists failed to find anything interesting.
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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 10 Episode 8 Celia Imrie
« Reply #57 on: Friday 12 October 12 16:10 BST (UK) »
Quoting an article on Wiki:

The show's producers generally examine 12 celebrities in their planning for a series. After research this is then cut down to 6 by eliminating those whose background is either uninteresting or too close to themes which have already been discussed in past episodes.
Numbers may differ, as only series 2 (in 2006) featured six celebs. This series has ten.


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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 10 Episode 8 Celia Imrie
« Reply #58 on: Friday 12 October 12 22:10 BST (UK) »
According to Celia Imrie herself answering a question some time ago on her own official website:

'Imrie is an ancient Scots name.  My father was from Glasgow.  You see the name quite a lot in Glasgow to this day.  I probably won't be on Who Do You Think You Are as I already know the family tree on my mother's side, and it's one of those ones which go back to God!'

It did occur to me that she looks an awful lot like the Queen's paternal gran, Queen Mary but nothing seems to have turned up linking her to Germany. Still when they do a drama on the life of Queen Mary, she'll have a headstart!

See photo (wait a few secs because the Queen Mary ship comes up first!)

http://bit.ly/Tmq55z

Notice although she said her son was passionate about politics, it seemed to be all about fundraising, nothing about him being a budding politician or otherwise ...!



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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 10 Episode 8 Celia Imrie
« Reply #59 on: Friday 12 October 12 23:51 BST (UK) »
The hand written tree at the start of the program caught my eye, because I thought I recognised two of my ancestors (Blois and Wingfield) written on the right hand side of what appeared to be two family lines.  I now need to try and see if or how these guys connect to the subjects of the program.

I agree this episode was somewhat different to normal and more a history lesson from the Charles II, James II era , however I did still find it very interesting.
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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 10 Episode 8 Celia Imrie
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 13 October 12 01:22 BST (UK) »
I thought Celia Imrie's family story made a nice change from the subjects which have been covered too much in recent series. 

I also thought seeing those old pamphlets and news reports were fascinating. We might not have access to some of the archives they did but it is good to see sources like this being used. It reminds us how interesting the wider background research can be - and it is just as valid as the more factual BMD genealogical research.

 
 Plus - I started a book last night which is set in the time of James II and I couldn't remember the history of that time and how and why William came to the throne... I was going to google it but this programme saved me the trouble. So thanks WDYTYA ;D ;D


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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 10 Episode 8 Celia Imrie
« Reply #61 on: Sunday 14 October 12 06:15 BST (UK) »
I watched my recording after reading this thread expecting to not enjoy the programme as much as I usually do. Not so, I sat glued to the programme not daring to miss anything.

 Most likely because I have always been interested in History the fact the programme picked out two people in a celebrity's tree who in their own days were also well known. It was a complete a change from what we have been used to in WDYTYA.

I kept finding myself thinking 'What happened next?' and at one stage I even wondered if anyone would pick up on the life of Celia's 10 x g.granmother and make a film or tv series of her trials and tribulations.

One thing the programme showed that even with investigating what - at the times - would have been known to a lot of people, the written info of the aristocracy is scattered over a number of places, depending on what happened during their lifetime.

However having said all that I do hope that WDYTYA will get back to 'normal' for the rest of the series :)

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Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 10 Episode 8 Celia Imrie
« Reply #62 on: Sunday 14 October 12 08:25 BST (UK) »
I do hope that WDYTYA will get back to 'normal' for the rest of the series :)

I'll be extremely surprised if John Barnes doesn't get a trip to Jamaica out of it.  ::)
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