Williams Family

[TERIPAT]

I am looking for information regarding Henry & Alice Williams (nee Varty)
They were married in 1882 at Narrabri and moved to Rockdale and then the Balmain area.  They had 9 children one of whom was my great Nana Frances Jane,  Alice died in in 1932 in Canterbury and I know that her and Henry  had been separated due to WW1 correspondence with three of their sons signing up, and one killed in action.

Firstly I am unable to find out when or where Alice was born she has three sisters & two brothers all with  Thomas & Frances Varty (Fanny Wilson) as parents but her  birth is not recorded.  Her father Thomas died in 1871 and her mother remarried to a man named  Albert J Penley but maybe I am missing something.

Also I cannot find a record of Henry's death all I know for sure is that he had at least one brother and he was a blacksmith at Narrabri when they met. Any help would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks for any information anyone may have .

[muss]

HI

I found this on NSW BDM
Surname Wilson Female born no 4543/1861 mother Fanny reg Armidale

Muss

[majm]

Hi there,

Do you have a copy of (or transcript of) the 1882 Narrabri marriage? 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi there,

NSW ER 1903, THE GWYDIR, polling at NARRABRI
There are quite a few listing with the surname WILLIAMS; the street addresses were not listed on this roll, but these two may help:
Alice WILLIAMS, of Narrabri, domestic duties
Henry Thomas Mandly WILLIAMS,  of Narrabri, postmaster
I should stress, there is nothing on these rolls to indicate if these two were related in any way to each other.

The 1882 marriage at Narrabri #5780

I wonder if Henry T M Williams death was registered at North Sydney in 1934 …. Parents  indexed as Henry and Helen…  #19803

Cheers,  JM

[TERIPAT]

Thank you Muss I never thought to see if Frances may have had Alice before they were married, so that explains that mystery thank you.

Majm I don't have a copy of the transcript of their marriage unfortunately.  Some how I can't see Henry being the postmaster,  his eldest son was Henry Claude .M and on his death notice  it gives Henry's second initial as W. but I am not sure if that is correct either.  I know at one stage he was at Yass that was between 1900 and 1916 but that is about all I know.  I might have to bite the bullet and order a copy of their marriage certificate or something,  that should give his parents names, shouldn't it.   Thanks for all your help Teri

[majm]

The 1882 mc may NOT have all the details re parentage that are so vital for family history buffs.

BUT .... here's a thread that I did up re how to overcome the hurdles IF there are blanks on the cert (or the transcript)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

Cheers,  JM

[TERIPAT]

Thanks, so much JM. very interesting and helpful information you have in that post,  this will help me out heaps I am sure. Henry has been a very frustrating man to pin down, so more than likely his m c will be missing information.   
Just while I think of it, the name Lovell as a first name is that commonly changed to something else?  this is one of his sons that is also proving elusive, I have no idea.

Thank you for your help
Teri

[muss]

Hi

Lovel is listed on this

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15864621?searchTerm=varty thomas&searchLimits=

Muss

[sparrett]

LOVELL died in QLD

WILLIAMS, LOVELL GERALD MILTON 
Date 31 Jan 1961
Registration  001126
Page Number 3089


Sue

ADDING Parents are not listed

born New South Wales aged 71 years