William Pearce & Mary Ann Pearce

[majm]

Hi Bob,

Is this the marriage in 1873 that you  found ?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTCY-YWH

You will notice that the transcriber gives both the bride and the groom's status as 'single', so does not give us if the parish record shows Spinster/Bachelor, or Widow/Widower or Divorcee.   Single of course indicates that they were free to marry.   May I note that it was 1873 that NSW legislation brought in Divorce.   The transcription linked above is drawn from the original parish register and it is that register that will have all the usual information about the parentage for them both, as well as their own places of birth, their ages on marriage, occupations, usual place of residence etc.   That transcription also uses the spelling found on the NSW BDM online INDEX.   

Of course, it is very likely that they were Spinster/Bachelor, but we do not know which Denomination or by which clergyman they were married, or who were their witnesses.  That info IS on the 1873 mc.

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi Bob,

Have you noticed this SUBMITTED entry from 14 June 2010 at family.search

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SB49-LJ8

And, the mention of the surname of the submitter?

They have the marriage as at Redfern and the year as 1874, but they do show Jesse PEARCE as the child of that marriage, and Jesse's marriage to Mary Ann SPILSTEAD and there are NOTES there as well.


Cheers,  JM

[simonereeves_1]

The information i am about to post is information that i have verified through certificates and newspaper articles, in particular death notices which detail siblings names etc.

Sarah Ann Butler born 1853 Newtown (parish of StGeorge) was the first child born in Australia to Henry Butler and Mary Smith. She married William Pierce in 1874 in Bathurst. She was in Bathurst at this time assisting her brother, William Butler's family as he had died from tuberculosis. This couple had seven children before William Pierce died in 07 Sep 1889 at Leichardt. He was buried in Balmain Cemetery.

Sarah then remarried in Mathew Brown in 1892. She died 27 Dec 1904 and was buried with William in Balmain Cemetery.

William was born in 1845 in Sydney to Samuel H and Mary A Pierce. There is the occasional mispell between Pierce and Pearce but primarily it was Pierce.

Cheers,

Simone.

[majm]

Hi Simone,

You have been an RChat member for a good while before posting    but it is good to read your info.   I am not a family member, just a fellow RChatter who has posted on this thread.

May I please ask you if you have the confirming details as per the NSW BDM 1874 marriage cert ? Does that NSW BDM document include the elusive details for the Bride and the Groom and their parents?  If so, can you please confirm when that document was reconciled by NSW BDM to the parish register.    I am asking this question because I am trying to track the exact dates when NSW BDM started and then stopped that process of its 1856-1895 registered marriages (circa 1912 start - 1915 stop)

Many cheers,  JM

[simonereeves_1]

Sorry JM, not entirely sure what you are referring to. My transcript shows the parents listed. I have had many certificates, particularly marriages from this time period that often do not show the parents. Religion has no impact on this, i have found many that lack these details, more so in the Bathurst region as i have a number of lines of my family that i have researched from this district.

Rhonda May, It seems i cannot respond to your PM. In response to your email..........
'As on observer of PIERCE/PEARCE thread there is something in your research that does not add up.

Compare these records at Bathhurst with Funeral Notices in 1923.
Births
6173/1870  PEARCE  JESSE,  WILLIAM  SARAH  BATHURST     
6263/1872  PEARCE  ZACHARIAS,  WILLIAM  SARAH  BATHURST   
Marriage
1765/1874  PIERCE  WILLIAM & BUTLER  SARAH ANN  BATHURST 
Deaths
3690/1874  PEARCE  ELIZABETH,  WILLIAM  SARAH  BATHURST   
4423/1878  PEARCE  ELIZA,  WILLIAM  SARAH  BATHURST   
4366/1879  PEARCE  STEPHEN,  WILLIAM  SARAH  BATHURST   

Martha, the daughter of Sarah, and sister of Jesse and Zac, was buried Tuesday 30 Jan 1923 in the Randwick General Cemetery, Long Bay Rd Coogee.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16031656

Death
12505/1923  PEARCE  SARAH,   SAMUEL & ELIZABETH  RANDWICK   
Sarah, the mother of Jesse and Zac, was buried in the Baptist Cemetery Long Bay Rd Coogee, on Saturday 1 Sep 1923.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16090817


Now is this a different family?
Births
4059/1875  PIERCE  WILLIAM H  WILLIAM  SARAH A  NEWTOWN     
4379/1876  PIERCE  ETHEL MARGARET  WILLIAM  SARAH ANN  NEWTOWN     
4702/1878  PIERCE  PERCY SAMUEL  WILLIAM  SARAH ANN  NEWTOWN   
5477/1880  PIERCE  MARY ANN ELIZABETH  WILLIAM  SARAH ANN  NEWTOWN     
6637/1881  PIERCE  ROSE ANN B  WILLIAM  SARAH ANN  NEWTOWN   
7009/1883  PIERCE  ARTHUR ERNEST  WILLIAM  SARAH ANN  NEWTOWN   
8609/1884  PIERCE  ERNEST J  WILLIAM  SARAH A  NEWTOWN   
Death
2657/1889  PIERCE  WILLIAM  SAMUEL H  MARY A  LEICHHARDT   
Marriage
1855/1892  BROWN  MATHEW  PIERCE  SARAH A  SYDNEY' 

My family is the second lot of Pierce you have typed up. I felt i should post on this thread as it appeared the original post incorrectly identified the marriage of William Pierce and Sarah Ann Butler as being that of the line that later had Zach and Jessie.

This is not the case, using Trove Newspapers will assist, the marriage notice also provides details from the SMH.

Cheers,

Simone.

[majm]

Hi Simone

I am referring to almost all the NSW BDM issued mcs for 1856 to 1895 as most of those were ONLY summary certs.  Then in 1912 NSW BDM commenced to reconcile their own summary records with the ORGINALS held by the various denominations .... not just in Bathurst region but right qcross NSW.   Then during 1915 many NSWBDM clerks enlisted so that reconciliation project stopped. 

The fully reconciled mcs show the original handwritings for witnesses and for bridee and for groom and for clergy AND show ALL the required info eg father of bride qand groom nd noting if deceased and mother for both including former and nee names and age for bride and groom ...etc etc tc ... NO BLANKS and an outside margin notation giving dates and registerSSS (at least 1 but up to 5 at times) that NSWBDM reconciled their records with the respective denominational record.

As I am on my e reader I cannot cite live link to a thread on Aussie board that I did to help RChatters find the missing info ... 

Perhaps other RChatters can help me out  or I will post the link tomorrow.   It could help you with confirming info on all NSW lines.

Cheers JM... fingers crossed my spelling is close enough.

[rosball]

Here it is JM 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

cheers,
   Ros

[majm]

Thanks Ros!

Simone, please have a read through the link Ros has popped there.   

Cheers JM

[Rhonda May]

Thank you Simone for clearing up some confusion between William PEARCE and wife Sarah, and William PIERCE and Sarah Ann BUTLER. Just a co-incidence both couples had links to Bathurst.

Rhonda