William Mott - b.+/- 1812 Chelsea, Middx.

[Robert39]

I am trying to confirm birth/baptism of a William Mott.  He appears on the 1861 census, aged 49 with wife Catherine (47) and 4 children - Louisa (10), William (, Henry (4) & John (2).  I can't find him on any earlier census and I would like to know his parentage - can anyone help?

[suzard]

Was William married to another Catherine??? Maybe 1st Catherine died???

Marriage
All Saints Wandsworth Surrey
19 Feb 1866
William Mott 55 widower occ Farrier address Wandsworth father William Mott occ Coachman
Catherine Dudley 35 widow address Wandsworth father Patrick Mushner occ Stone Mason
William signed
Catherine made her mark
witnesses Ellen Mushner (made her mark)
Frederick Jones (Signed )

Then 1871
26 henry St Battersea Surrey
William Mott head M 61 Farrier Chelsea Mx
Katherine wife 40 Cork Ireland
Ellen daughter 18 Co??gge? Maker
William son 16 Rib? maker
Henry son 14 Errand boy
John son 11

children all b Battersea
RG10 700 130 46

Suz

[peb21]

Hi

Could this be your William?.
I have found a William Mott baptism.

William Born 23 Nov, Bapt 31 Dec 1809
Parents:- William + Helen

St Lukes Chelsea

Also
1881
William (wid) 69                     Middlesex
William (unm) 25 Porter         Westminster
John  (unm)  21   Porter         Stockwell

Living @ 29 Henry St. Battersea

[Robert39]

That's great - thank you both!  Yes, it seems that William Mott married 2 Catherines but I can't find the marriage to the first - I have now obtained the birth cert. for their son Henry born 1856 and the mother's maiden name was Catherine Mulshine.  On the 1861 census Catherine's place of birth was given as 'Devon N.K.'
As for William's baptism I have now also found 2 siblings both baptised the same day -
1. John Mott  bapt. 15 Oct 1815  Chelsea St. Luke
Father William Mott - Mother Ellen Mott with father's occupation 'Coachman'.
2. Mary Mott  bapt. 15 Oct 1815 (born 23 Jan 1812)  Chelsea St. Luke
Father  William Mott - Mother Ellen Mott with father's occupation 'Coachman'.
Now I'm looking for the marriage of William Mott & Ellen/Helen - any suggestions?

[suzard]

That's great - thank you both!  Yes, it seems that William Mott married 2 Catherines but I can't find the marriage to the first - I have now obtained the birth cert. for their son Henry born 1856 and the mother's maiden name was Catherine Mulshine.  On the 1861 census Catherine's place of birth was given as 'Devon N.K.'
As for William's baptism I have now also found 2 siblings both baptised the same day -
1. John Mott  bapt. 15 Oct 1815  Chelsea St. Luke
Father William Mott - Mother Ellen Mott with father's occupation 'Coachman'.
2. Mary Mott  bapt. 15 Oct 1815 (born 23 Jan 1812)  Chelsea St. Luke
Father  William Mott - Mother Ellen Mott with father's occupation 'Coachman'.
Now I'm looking for the marriage of William Mott & Ellen/Helen - any suggestions?

There are these Banns

St James Clerkenwell

entry no 362
Banns for
William Mott Bachelor & Hellen Pitt spinster
both of this parish
16 June, 23 June, 30 June 1805

there is also this baptism
Helen Mott
born 31 July 1804
baptism 6 Oct 1805
Parents William & Helen Mott

so was Helen a daughter born before marriage -but not baptised until after marriage???

Also William Mott (junior) married Catherine Mulshine (according to henry's mother's maiden name on his birth cert

William Mott married Catherine Dudley- both were widowed- and Catherine's father's name was " Patrick Mushner" which must be Catherine's maiden name --although "Mushner " is a guess as it is very difficult to read on marriage cert)- it seems very similar to "Mulshine"?

Suz