TOPHAM BECHER DABRIDGECOURT HOUGH - Birth 1898 St Pancras

[bendywendy]

Hi everyone
Can anyone help to find the registered birth for TOPHAM BECHER DABRIDGECOURT HOUGH c1898 St Pancras as stated on the 1901 cen @ 66 Blenheim Crescent, Kensington and following census @ 65 Tennyson Avenue, Bridlington, E. Yks.
I cannot find anything anywhere near to any of these names

His father is TOPHAM HOUGH KIRBY of Scarborough, N. Yks,  c1822, and later 1881, changed his name to TOPHAM HOUGH HOUGH, who it turns out is a kinsman of Lord Sherbrooke, how this comes about I have no idea at the present time.
His father was James Kirby a Joiner/Mill Owner at Belle Vue House, Scarborugh and brother to James Barber Kirby, Reverend of several churches south of England and then of St Mary's, Beverley, East Yorkshire where he died 1920.
Both these sons had private education, according to the University info and had a sister Anne Louisa Kirby c1867 Scarborough and never married, she was a nurse but then due to ill health lived off small amount of private means. Both her brothers left substantial amounts upon their deaths, Topham £6, 154.5s.8d  and  James  £7,495.19s.11d

The mother of TBDH is not known, but he must be related to the Becher and Dabridgecourt families, see below for further details of this connection.
His father married as Topham Hough Hough 1905 @ Kensington to a Mary Jane Farmer and on the last census she states "none" for amount of children born.
I can only find this one marriage for his father, unless he married abroad

Topham Hough Kirby attended Cambridge University, Cavendish House 1881, he migrated to Conville & Caius House, Oct 1 1881  B.A. in name of T.H. Hough and started practice as Solicitor Nov 1895 and practiced at 13 Clement's Lane, EC. He died Sept 4 1916 at Bridlington, E. Yorks.

TBDH served as a sniper in the East Yorkshire Regiment and died 17 January 1916 in Belgium as result of enemy sniper fire.

There are two books about Lord Sherbrooke:
http://archive.org/stream/lifelettersofrig01martuoft#page/n3/mode/2up   
Vol I, on page ix Mr Topham Hough is acknowledged for his help with the Pedigrees in Vol II
Vol I, on page 57 ..Mr. Topham Hough, himself a kinsman of the late Lord Sherbrooke, which goes on about the Becher & Dabridgecourt kin and ancestry of Lord Sherbrooke.

http://archive.org/stream/lifelettersofrig02martuoft#page/n9/mode/2up
Vol II, no mention of Mr Topham Hough in this book, nearest is a Lord Houghton page 355.
Alas, the Pedigrees on pages 603-608 have not been opened and scanned 

So, can anyone help me please,
Kind regards, bendywendy

[avm228]

Topham snr has Mary Jane with him as "wife" in 1901 even though in fact they are not yet married.

The 1911 question is not how many children born to the woman, but how many to the marriage.

What was Mary Jane's situation before her relationship with Topham snr - had she been married before? Have possible births been looked for under Farmer and/or any other previous name of hers?

How is Topham jnr referred to (assuming he is) in Topham snr's will - e.g. "son" "natural son" "adopted son"?

Has Mary Jane's background been investigated for Dabridgecourt & Becher links?

[hugatree]

As a matter of interest

Second Lieutenant TPD Hough,8th Bn,The East Yorkshire Regt,KIA 18 Jan 1916
was killed by a sniper in the trenches near St Eloi while he himself was sniping.

He is buried in Dickebusch New Military Cemetery

[hugatree]

There is an unnamed male Farmer in 1897 Pancras Q2 1B 14.  I had a similar problem but took the risk and ordered the certificate, it turned out to be a good call.  Might be worth doing the same on this one.

good luck

Hugs

[JenB]

The announcement of his death in The Times states his age as 18 years and nine months, which would place his birth in about April 1897 

[bendywendy]

Hi
Many thanks for trying to help and ideas.

Kinsman is only via the male line, so it has to be via Topham Hough Hough, but that dosen't mean the child is not Mary Jane Farmer's.

Bap for her is 22 March 1868 Wootton Rivers, to Stephen & Hannah Farmer.

'71 cen @ Wootton Rivers, father a Groom, Mary Jane is 3 yrs
'81 cen @ Wootton Rivers, father a Groom, Mary Jane is 13 yrs scholar
'91 cen @ Wootton, Rivers, father a groom but Mary Jane not with family, not certain which is her either
'01 cen @ St Pancras, Mary Jane with Topham Hough

I haven't gone any further back on her ancestors at present, but I will do later and see what it brings up.

Will, not got them as yet, info is from the internet what I have.

As for Mary Jane being the mother then why didn't they add Farmer to the list of his names 

b.

[bendywendy]

Stephen Farmer married Hannah Pearce @ Pewsey, Mar 1859

His parents are John Farmer an Ag Lab & Elizabeth, '51 cen South Savernake, Wilts and '41 cen @ South Savernake with Brimslade & Cadley, father Ag Lab.

b.

[Maddie]

Hi

Would this be Mary J in 91 living with sister Charlotte Roberts & her husband William in Kentish Town, RG12/132/99/15.

Mary J's name is indexed as Panner.

Maddie

[JenB]

As for Mary Jane being the mother then why didn't they add Farmer to the list of his names 

There's no particular reason why they should do so.