WA Convict: Thomas Veal(e) alias John Hockines (Hawkins)

[Sandra_Fallon]

Thomas Burnett Hayward {Royal Navy Officer}:

Thomas Hayward records said he was in several mutinies. Many times he was left with NO ship.

The information I have in my hands states, that Thomas Hayward sister Ann was a close friend to Betsy Betham, whom married William Bligh.

Thomas Hayward ship was the "Bounty".

There was another chap called Peter Heywood who was confused with Thomas Burnett Hayward.
"Apparently" Heywood thought Hayward was a "worldling" , raised a little in society [as we say here with a plum in your mouth}...

Apparently it is NOT the first time Hayward lost a ship.

Bligh and shipping companies thinks Hayward drowned at sea during a cyclone, somewhere between Mataruis and Freemantle, Western Australia, as it was knowledged by his daughter Janet [nee Hayward] Judge/Growden.

[Dundee]

William BLIGH and his wife died long before Thomas Burnet HAYWARD and his siblings were even born 

Debra 

[Dundee]

It appears that this is the man you are talking about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hayward_%28Royal_Navy_officer%29

I have no idea what he has to do with Thomas Burnet HAYWARD.

Debra 

[FishMan]

Sandra,

I think you've got your Haywards (and eras) in quite a mix. While TBH is only an in-law to the line I am researching, I did look at him when trying to untangle the mess surrounding the Orr girls, but only succeeded in raising more questions.

In 1869 Emma Burnet Hayward (Thomas's older sister) married into the affluent Limburg-Stirum family. The titles of the House of Limburg Stirum were confirmed in 1812 by Napoleon and in 1814 the family was recognised in the nobility of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

The notice in Trove referred to by Dundee is a duplicate of the notice in the London Gazette May 31st 1898 (see http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/26973/pages/3421/page.pdf) and was seeking to locate Thomas or his descendants following the Emma's death in 1894 and her husband Samuel John von Limburg Stirum's death in 1897, presumably regarding a share in the estate.

It also confirms that as a result of court action Hayward v Hayward (involving a Josephine Elizabeth Hayward) Thomas was legally presumed dead on 1 Feb 1892, his last known address being Rockey Point, North Carolina USA on 27 Aug 1884.

Most likely Thomas deserted Annie and left the country, probably not that long after they married. But Annie did not sit around feeling sorry for herself, she had two daughters with John Thompson in 1868 and 1870 and then re-married on 14 Feb 1872 in Fremantle to Charles William Baxter (aka Isaac Bisp) yes ... another ex-convict with an alias. Maybe this was to legitimise their daughter Mary Bisp born the same year?

There are a number of convicts named John Thompson who were sent to WA, coincidentally perhaps, one was transported on the ship with Annie & Janet's father John.

Andrew 

[FishMan]

Sandra, I can't find any birth record for Janet to Thomas and Annie. What do you have? Andrew

[Sandra_Fallon]

FishMan
I have a copy of Janet nee Hayward second marriage certificate.
It states who her father was Thomas Burnett Hayward and has her father stated as a Merchant Captain.
It also states her mother name as Annie Orr.
On the marriage certificate, it states she is a widow and she is remarrying a widower Frederick Growden.
Now on Janet's nee Hayward Judge/Growden death certificate details is limited [cos it was not given my our side of the family]. It list all Janet and John Judge children and including the one that had died.
It only says on her death certificate that her father was a sea Captain. Has nothing on about her mother Annie Orr.

I have documents here, that is spelling the Hayward name different. This is why you have to triple check things.

[Sandra_Fallon]

I have found this:
 HAYWARD-On the 30th November at Mel

bourne Elizabeth Mary beloved vvlfe of ?ebulon Thomas Hayward of 687 Rathdown street North Carlton and loving mother of Derrick aged 53 vears -At rest


 HAYWARD-The Fl lends of the late Mn

ELIZAEETH M«R\ HsYVVARD are Informe-" that her remains will be cremated at the Springvale

[Sandra_Fallon]

I just found something but will check the data.

One of Captain Thomas Burnet [not with double t] Hayward in this document, had a ship call Celtric King and it is connected with the shipping agencies Thomas Hayward had in Geraldton and Bunbury too.Records show he sailed from UK - London arriving in Freemantle on the 30th Oct, 1897.

Another document shows that Thomas Burnet Hayward spouse Annie Orr. They were married in Western Australia and Annie Orr possibility died in 1938 [that has to be check with the births, death & marriages office here].

There is also an Passenger list from 1890 -1960 that listed Annie Orr leaving England and arriving in a city - Australia.  Passenger list has many enteries for Annie Orr travelling with Captain Hayward
 Annie Orr is on the electoral rolls for Australia from 1906.

* I will have also check this out with births, death & marriages Office*
There is a Mary Elizabeth Hayward  and has her mother listed as Ann ? death 1968.
Now this Mary Hayward could be connect to the above posting.
Secondly I did notice there was several Thomas Hayward [Heyward, Haywood spellings] listed too.

[Dundee]

Hi Sandra,

Fishman can probaly tell you more about Annie ORR after her marriage to Charles William BAXTER (alias Isaac BISP) in 1872.  It is evident that her relationship with Thomas Burnet HAYWARD ceased soon after they were married.  It is also obvious that Thomas must have left the area then because bigamy was illegal and Annie probably would not remarry unless she did not know where he was and reasonably presumed him to be deceased.

I just found something but will check the data.

One of Captain Thomas Burnet [not with double t] Hayward in this document, had a ship call Celtric King and it is connected with the shipping agencies Thomas Hayward had in Geraldton and Bunbury too.Records show he sailed from UK - London arriving in Freemantle on the 30th Oct, 1897.

It is important that you don't go chasing every person named Thomas HAYWARD or Captain HAYWARD - it is not an uncommon name and it is usually hard enough to sort your own family out without chasing other people who are not related.  The Captain HAYWARD of the Celtic King was Captain B. G HAYWARD, not your chap.

Annie Orr possibility died in 1938 [that has to be check with the births, death & marriages office here].

It is not impossible, but highly unlikely that Annie's surname at death was ORR.  Once a woman married or had a relationship with a man they usually kept the married surname until death. The same goes for the electoral rolls. I will however concede that Scottish women often used their birth surname throughout their lives.

I have found this:
HAYWARD-On the 30th November at Melbourne, Elizabeth Mary beloved wife of Zebulon Thomas Hayward of 687 Rathdown street North Carlton, and loving mother of Derrick aged 53 vears - At rest.

There is a Mary Elizabeth Hayward  and has her mother listed as Ann ? death 1968.
Now this Mary Hayward could be connect to the above posting.

The first person died in Victoria in 1938 aged 53, the second person died in WA in 1968 aged 71.  Why would you think they are connected, and why are you looking for a person named Mary HAYWARD?  I haven't seen anyone by that name come up in our discussion so far.

On the 1861 UK census, Thomas Burnet HAYWARD is still living at home with his widowed mother and various other extended family members in London.  He is aged 18 and is a midshipman.  My opinion is that this was in merchant shipping not the Royal Navy.  If he had been in the Navy they would not have so much trouble finding out where he was.  So you now know that he came to Australia between 1861 and 1865.

The previous census, taken in 1851, shows that his father Thomas was a wholesale grocer, aged 45, and born in Wiltshire.

If you are interested, Thomas Burnet HAYWARD's Masters/Mates certificate is available to view on Ancestry.

You will always find different spelling of surnames as it was not as important back then.  Some people were illiterate and didn't know how to spell their own names.

Debra