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Kyle's Tullynahinnion Portglenone Co Antrim
« on: Wednesday 10 October 12 00:07 BST (UK) »
It would appear we are only allowed a certain amount of charactors so if I may I will try this in two postings

I have been rattling around here for some time and I am of the notion that there are several Kyle's or descendants of Kyle's on this site who are or may be related and therefore chasing info on the same ancesters.
In our family folklore the family came from the Bellaghy area in Co Londonderry prior to moving to Tullynahinnion.   
There obviously has been a connection to the Vance family at one point as that surname became a christian name in at least two legs of the Kyle family.
The family connection to later Mckeown's, Leetch's, Crawford's, Harris's etc and mentioned in another post are fairly well known so no further info is required there.  This is about the descendants and ancesters of a John Kyle Tullynahinion probably born around 1830 in or near to the Bellaghy area. 
My GGGrandfather John is where the problems or lack of knowledge becomes a problem.
This was a John Kyle father of William Kyle born circa 1871.
From that John Kyle onward in the Tullynahinnion line of the family is well documented but John had siblings as had his son William.   These are the connections that are a little vague. 
This John Kyle had several wives, possibly four. 
According to family stories at least two had family.
Given that William had brothers and sisters and we are fairly sure his father had siblings also I would like info on where everyone possibly went to and perhaps some of this may make sense to some distant descendant who like some here is missing a link or two.
There are several long standing Kyle families in the Portglenone Co Antrim area who are likely to be connected, we would just like to know how if so.
As well as the church record info I have generously received I will also refer just now to a couple of pages taken from a book "BALLYMENAGH. TOWN BY THE ROUGH TERRAIN"
This refers to a James Kyle from Tullynahinnion who later went on along with his son John and again later his grandson to build and rebuild what is now known as Broadway Ave but was then known a Kyle street.
This leg of the family is unknown to us but looks very like they are of the same ilk.
Anyhow on to John.  As above he had several wives and more than one family. 
The little bit of info below may or may not refer to the actual John but is taken from records and the fact it is on open view may help someone.   
We do know John had one wife from the Mckeown family and there is reference to a Margaret Mckeown recorded as John's 2nd wife.   Certainly William Kyle of Tullynahinion age confirmed in the Irish census does match with the births registered to John and Margaret (nee Mckeown) Kyle.   Apparently that McKeown family also had a tie with McKeowns of Finkiltagh (Finkilragh in the Irish census)   
As best the survivors are aware there were no other Kyle families living in the townland of Tullynahinnion at any time other than the family that originate from Bellaghy or near by to Bellaghy. 
That said the 1901 census gives a John Kyle in Tullynahinion with a wife Eliza Jane and daughter Anne Jane.  At present we dont know anything about this wife and daughter if in fact that is the same John Kyle.  This John would have been circa the correct age to be William Kyle Tullynahinnion father but no one has turned up any record of that marriage to me as yet.
There is also a family story surrounding the death of John's father. 
The story has it that John's father passed away while in Ballymena.  He apparently choked whilst eating/drinking and his son John who was with him and little more than a child was put in charge of the horse and cart and sent home with his deceased father in the cart.  Certainly tougher times than we know today.   This story may be in other families yarns/folklore and might be a missing link. 
Both my father and myself have met several people from various parts of the Provence who once they find who we are and and where we are from state that their grandmother or other ancestor was a Kyle from Tullynahinnion. Unfortunately they have no more information than we do but nevertheless it is very likely to be related. 
2nd posting should follow below
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Re: Kyle's Tullynahinnion Portglenone Co Antrim
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 October 12 00:11 BST (UK) »
It could be that with more than one family there could possibly have been sibling rivalry or other favoritism one way or another within the family that could have resulted in the break up of the siblings.   It certainly seems a little more than peculiar that neither my father nor I have ever heard mention of the several names that are likely to have been siblings.   We are aware of a leg of the family who made their way to New Zealand prior to Williams son Thomas "Tommy" but have not had any real contact.  That family had a Vance (Bernie) Kyle within their ranks. 

So really this is about The John Kyle detailed above and mainly about either the ancestors or descendants of that John Kyle and his father who are not of today's Tullynahinnion Kyle's.
There may be descendants whom we are aware exist but have had no contact or lost contact with for a generation for one reason or another.  If you are one of those feel welcome to message me. 

This little story and the info below is all I have and the referances below and that from the Irish census may or may not be connected to the Kyle family of John Kyle.  What I am after is the missing links and more so the missing siblings.   If you find something in this that helps you but is of no connection to the John Kyle above please let me know so I can eliminate that from the possibilities. 

I do have a very good lead/pencil drawn picture of John but it is way too big for our scanner.  I do have a not too good photo taken of that if i knew how to post it on here. 

Courtesy of Kingkerswell

 This is what I can find.
In 1858 John Kyle married Margaret McKeown in Glenarm Presbyterian Church. His fathers Name was Joseph. This couple had the following children after 1864 ( registration date) registered in Portglenone
1864 David
1866 William (died young)
1867 James
1869 Margaret Elizabeth
1871 William
1873 Male child.

Another John Kyle marriage where the father was Joseph. 31st march 1852 To Mary Jane Harris in Portglenone First Presbyterian Church. I can find no children.

Another John Kyle Marriage where the father was Joseph. 1876 to Sophia McMullan in Wellington St. Presbyterian Church, Ballymena. Children from this marriege were registered in Portglenone.
1876 Ann Jane
1878 Mary
1880 Lena.

My info on child registration only go up to 1881. The final marriage was in 1883 to Elizabeth Craig in Portglenone First Presbyterian Church.

I cannot say that these are all the same man but the father in each case is Joseph and they are all in your area of interest. Hope this helps.
 
Hi Again,
            Church records are fairly sparse before 1845 but I checked what I have in the Bellaghy area and found that a William Kyle married Mary Vance in Castledawson Presbyterian Church on 1 Dec 1820. This is in the Magherafelt area and about 5 miles from Bellaghy.
            It might be a good idea to put the information on the site as there are others who have better sources than me.

 
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Re: Kyle's Tullynahinnion Portglenone Co Antrim
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 10 October 12 13:59 BST (UK) »
Hi

I have tree on ancestry if you wish to see it, the tree contains info about kyle's, Harris's etc that i have pieced to together from numerous posts.
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Re: Kyle's Tullynahinnion Portglenone Co Antrim
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 10 October 12 14:56 BST (UK) »
I'll pm you my email
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Re: Kyle's Tullynahinnion Portglenone Co Antrim
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 October 12 15:25 BST (UK) »
Very nice although I have not got "into" it just yet but no doubt that will come in the wee hours.   The tree shows a Joseph Kyle marrying a Mary Vance.   
Now Kingkerswell gave me referance to a Willliam Kyle having married Mary Vance in Castledawson Presbyterian church.
Can you elaborate a little on this either of you
Thanks yet again
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Re: Kyle's Tullynahinnion Portglenone Co Antrim
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 10 October 12 16:41 BST (UK) »
Joseph and William were brothers i think they both married a Mary Vance who i would imagine to be cousins.

William Kyle married Mary Vance in 1820 daughter of William Vance and Nancy Davidson they moved to Wisconsin.

Joseph Kyle married a Mary Vance in 1816, there daughter Elizabeth was my gt grandmother x 3
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Re: Kyle's Tullynahinnion Portglenone Co Antrim
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 October 12 17:02 BST (UK) »
That would agree with there being the name Vance used as a christian name so often both here and in the US.
Joe Kyle having also married a Mary Vance would also be in keeping with family history.  We were aware of a Vance as a direct ancestor but it never occurred that there may be 2 Mary Vance's.
I'm glad I posted now as I now have info I hadn't earlier but was merely hearsay 

Thanks
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Re: Kyle's Tullynahinnion Portglenone Co Antrim
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 October 12 18:46 BST (UK) »
Sophia McMullan seems to have been from Carnalbanagh born circa 1848.
Maybe there is some records out there of this family. 

Margaret McKeown is a well known family history but the marriage in Glenarm was not expected.   
We were of the opinion that this Margaret McKeown was related to the McKeown's of Finkiltagh who were later to marry into the Kyle family in the form of a John Kyle B circa 1898 to Jane McKeown daughter of William John McKeown and Elizabeth Thompson

We have no idea when the McKeown's arrived in Finkiltagh (Finkilragh in Irish census)  However I do know that That John and Jeanie (Jane) moved to a farm in Finkiltagh that not long before had been owned by Jane McKeown's Uncle Andrew
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Re: Kyle's Tullynahinnion Portglenone Co Antrim
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 October 12 19:04 BST (UK) »
Margaret's address is given as Aughnagash witness James McKeown, John was already a widow but not sure who he was married to previously-the name curtis and bell came up somewhere but can't remember where.
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McGinlay-Donegal,Glasgow
Howatson-Dalkeith,London
Jamieson-Londonderry,Partick
Key/McKee/Kee-Londonderry