Cecilia Foy

[heywood]

Hi Fuseman

I was just about to post the same, I spent most of yesterday looking for a marriage with no luck, Celia's husband is not with her on the 1881 census and is shown as married, my conclusion on this, is that they split up, and she never married Edward because she was already married to William, why was the father not shown on Emma's BC, but it was on the baptist record.

I have some additional information for her  marriage to William

William Naughton to Cecilia Fahy
8 Dec 1877 St Patrick (RC) Walsall
Grooms Father John Naughton
Brides Father John Fahy
Witnesses Martin Fahy and Barbara Owen

That's great Marg.
Edward may have been the father but as they were not married Cecilia may not have given him officially as the father on the certificate. Perhaps for baptism purposes, it wouldn't matter.  

Dave,

in the earlier thread, I suggested getting the marriage certificate to check. If you remember too there was a Martin Foy/Fay/Fahy in Penkridge with a younger daughter Cecilia who may be this Martin and perhaps your Cecilia's brother.

heywood

[MargP]

There is also a Martin Fahy b 1847 Galway Ireland in Walsall he marries a Mary Gleeson



1881 census 2824/61/11

Margp

Pushed for time will be back later

[heywood]

Hi Marg,

Just to save time -

This is from earlier thread:

From research I have carried out on ancestry I think but not 100% sure that her mother was named Mary Elizabeth Gleason. b, abt 1835 also in LOAMS d. 1923 and her father was Martin Francis Fay b. abt 1830 also in LOAMS d. 1921.  Thanks

It looks as though this information may have derived from 1881 RG11 2824 /  61 / 11

Martin and Mary Fahy with several children including Cealia born 1874 and a mother in law Mary Glesson.

There is a Foy family at 1881 RG11 2826 / 11 / 15
Martin Foy and Ellen Foy from 'Chume' - they look to be married in Penkridge in 1866

The second Martin (Penkridge) does not look to be the one.

[fuseman]

Now you come to mention it I do remember that previous post and the reference to Penkridge, I can't remember how at the time I came to the conclusion it was a different family but as Haywood says it looks like its the wrong Martin. So from what MargP found out Cecilia's name was Fahy as shown on Emma's birth cert and not Foy, interesting also to see they were married at St Pats, the old church has long gone but it was replaced with a new one about 50 years ago and is not far from were I live. Very interested in Tall Al's post though regarding Cecilia passing away in 1906, could I ask Tall Al if he could let me know under which surname the death was recorded so that I can try and trace her burial. I personally assumed that Cecilia had lived a lot longer as I can remember my late father telling me about her talking with a very broad Irish accent and smoking a pipe as though he could remember seeing her, but he wasn't born until 1922? perhaps he was just repeating stories he had been told by his mom Emma. Thanks for your replies much appreciated.. Dave

[MargP]

Hi Dave

Its strange I can't find any other baptist records the there other children, only Emma's in a C of E church, I wonder if the rest of the children were christened at the catholic church, do you go to History Centre in Essex St Walsall, I know that they have the Catholic Records there, it may be worth have a look to see what you can find.

Marg

[heywood]

Hi Dave,

Free BMD has the death of Cecilia Marlow, 44 years  in  March 1906 - Walsall volume  6b page 444


heywood

[heywood]

As posted earlier there seem to be 2 Martin Fahys in 1881.

The other one which you saw in a family tree is perhaps more the brother of Cecilia.

Free BMD has the 1865 marriage of Martin Fahy and Mary Gleeson.

1871 has them transcribed as Faley

1881 has them as Fahy

[fuseman]

Hi Marg, yes I get to the history museum as often as I can, I haven't been for a while though due to work commitments I had to shelve my research for a few months, but now the dark nights are back its full steam ahead again. I would think looking at the marriage details you found that Cecilia and William were possibly RC, but perhaps Edward Marlow was C of E, hence Emma's baptism at St Paul's. correct me if I'm wrong but am I right in thinking that if Cecilia and William had separated being of the RC faith a divorce would not have been allowed or is my mind working overtime?. Also as I said earlier I found a death listed for a William Naughten in Ireland 2 years after the wedding DOD 1879, if this is the same William then perhaps he went back home for some reason  and Cecilia stayed in England with her family, she may not have know he had died explaining why no marriage can be found to Edward Marlow, I get the impression that Cecilia was not a very well educated young lady, on Emma's birth cert it says " X the mark of Cecilia Marlow formally Fahy" this indicates to me she couldn't write and if my memory serves me right I'm sure last time I looked for her I found her listed in a census as an imbecile which I think would also indicate that she couldn't write and possibly not able to read. Perhaps she spent her adult life thinking she was an adulteress when she was actually a widow.
As you say Marg its strange you could find no baptism records next time I'm at the history museum I will see what I can find, also I want to try and find were she is buried, it could be the Queen St cemetery or possibly Rycroft which opened in 1894, I hope its the later as I have more chance of finding the grave as Queen St is long gone.  Thanks.. Dave

[fuseman]

Thanks Haywood, I think you are right I can't find it in my old notes at the  moment the but  name Gleeson rings a bell for some reason, I will have a good look through my old note books and see what I turn up.