Scandal and intrigue! Jessie Sloss / William McCulloch - Linkieburn, Muirkirk

[johnkingedinburgh]

Ah that's an interesting idea! 

I'm pretty sure Mary is Mary Cullens White - mum's eldest sister is Mary Cullens, and on what I think is their wedding certificate that is the name given.  Also in 1911 there is a niece called Georgina White living with them, and accoring to the wedding certificate Mary's mum was called Georgina White.  There is also a Georgina White born in Abercrombie, Fife in 1863 which tallies. 

On this wedding certificate John Innes is down as a coal miner, so the mining connection you suggest could be spot on! 

In 1911 it says they were married for 26 years, children born alive - none. 

[johnkingedinburgh]

Could this be William in 1871?
Riccarton Ayrshire
Cadgers Rd Goudier Land   
William Mccullock Age:   30 Head coal miner born Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Margaret Mccullock   32 born Wichnor Lanarkshire
David Mccullock   7 born do
Thomas Mccullock   4 born do
William Mccullock   2 born Riccarton
However, can't find this family in 1881.

I think it is, I found this family tree in Google:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/h/o/Andrew-D-Shore/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0159.html

which shows that his dad was having illegitimate children with his servant too (before marrying her). 

[MonicaL]

I feel we are writing a script...but like the way it is all coming together (with some facts and docs!) 

One bit to add is that I think Margaret Steel wife of William McCulloch did not die until 1901. On creative script mode: I think she left the family home before 1891, where we have Jessie Sloss already working at the home of the McCullochs. There are likely census entries for a Margaret (Steel?) McCulloch in Kilmarnock in both 1891/1901 (from memory - would have to go back to find). She died in October 1901. A Helen McCulloch reported the death, described as 'occupier' (term sometimes used, means simply living at the same address). A couple of hiccups to this cert:

- No relationship included for Helen who informed.
- Husband down as Robert, a collliery underground manager (sounds much like William).
- Margaret's parents' details not know.

Monica

PS: Also from what you said earlier John, William McCulloch showed as still married on his 1901 census entry....

[MonicaL]

Regarding John Innes Sloss, there is a likely marriage entry showing for him in 1941 in Dalmellington to an Agnes. There are three entries for this marriage, all to do with Agnes' surnames. Each surname has a different reg entry although all GROS references are the same (Graham, McCubbin, Robertson).

This year is outside the cut off to view online unfortunately (currently 1935). Would have to be ordered or viewed at one of the main Scottish centres/registery offices that offer this service.

Monica

[josey]

John, your posting title is getting more & more apt 

I think there must be some really bad transcription on *nc*str* which is why William & family can't be found 1881 or on familysearch btw. The website John links to also states Margaret died in Oct 1901. It does mention a daughter Helen [Nellie on the 1891 census] born 1874. If we find those 1891 & 1901 entries Monica mentioned for Margaret in Kilmarnock, we may find the younger children.

Are we at the casting stage yet, Monica? 

Josey

[MonicaL]

For William McCulloch and family, this I think is the summary of census for 1881-1901 from what we had:

1881:
William McCalloch 40, Colliery Manager b. O. Monkland, Lanarkshire
Margaret McCalloch 40 b. Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire
Thomas McCalloch 14
William McCalloch 12
John McCalloch 8
Ellen McCalloch 6
Jessie McCalloch 4
David McCalloch

Address: Linkieburn Ho., Muirkirk, Ayrshire

1891:
William McCulloch 50 colliery manager
John McCulloch 18 Apprentice C & M Engineer
David McCulloch 13 scholar
Nellie McCulloch 16 do
Jessie McCulloch 14 do
Jessie Sloss housekeeper 25 born Dalmellington

Address: Linkilburn House, Muirkirk


1901:
William McCulloch - Head - Married - 58 - Colliery Manager - Worker - Monkland?
John McCulloch - Son - Single - 22 - Mining Engineer - Worker - Ayrshire, Kilmarnock
Jessie Sloss - Servant - Single - 31 - Ayrshire, Dalmellington

Address: 5 Linkieburn House, Muirkirk, Ayr

Let me go and find those possible entries I found for Margaret (although I don't think any other names showed that helped...)

Monica

[MonicaL]

Whilst I look for Margaret Steel in 1891/1901  this is what I think is her dc key info:

[josey]

I think it is, I found this family tree in Google:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/h/o/Andrew-D-Shore/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0159.html

which shows that his dad was having illegitimate children with his servant too (before marrying her). 

This website shows
Children of William McCulloch and Margaret Steele are:
David McCulloch, b. 1864, Wishaw, Lanarkshire, Scotland, d. 27 Apr 1877, Cumnock, Ayrshire,
+Thomas Steele McCulloch, b. 21 May 1867, Wishaw, Lanarkshire, Scotland, d. 16 Mar 1930, Auchinleck, Ayrshire
William McCulloch, b. 04 Jan 1869, Riccarton, Ayrshire, Scotland, d. 24 Aug 1890, Linkieburn House, Muirkirk, Ayrshire
Jessie McCulloch, b. Feb 1871, Riccarton, Ayrshire, Scotland, d. 10 Mar 1871, Riccarton, Ayrshire, Scotland.
+John McCulloch, b. 10 Jul 1872, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland, d. 10 Feb 1943, Old Cumnock, Ayrshire,
Helen Watt McCulloch, b. 16 Oct 1874, Dreghorn, Ayrshire, Scotland, d. 25 Jun 1936, Kelvingrove, Glasgow
Jessie Watson McCulloch, b. 11 May 1876, Dreghorn, Ayrshire, Scotland, d. 21 Mar 1947, Partick, Glasgow
David McCulloch, b. 14 Dec 1878, Linkieburn House, Muirkirk, Ayrshire d. date unknown.

No mention of Jessie Sloss  . If our presumptions are correct, these will be William McCulloch Sloss' half siblings.

Perhaps, John, you could get in touch with the tree owner. Not only may you get some evidential documentation about William McCulloch your 'alleged' great grandfather, you may also be able to surprise them with the knowledge of Jessie & her offspring!

Josey

[josey]

Whilst I look for Margaret Steel in 1891/1901  this is what I think is her dc key info:

Monica, you said the informant was an 'occupant' so less likely to be related - this may explain the discrepancy in her husband's name.

Good luck with your census search - I've tried without success so far.