Harold George Baker 1911

[JEANJAXX]

Hi,Im looking for help and advise on trying to find a friends grandfather, his name was Harold George Baker, from Lewisham, his last known address was 121 Sunderland Rd, Forest Hill, he was born around 1911, we know that he did marry a Elizabeth Kelly in 1936, he  was in the army and never went back to his wife who left with a young son, although he did try to keep in touch with his son by writting, although his son never got the letters untill a few years ago when they were found in his mothers belongings. What we really want to know is, did Harold remarry? And did he have other children ? Where do we look? i have researched family for myself from scottish records, trying english but they dont seem to give you the same information, like parents names on birth certificates etc, Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks in advance
Jeanx

[[Ray]]

Hi

Why have you researched the family via scottish records?

What other info do you have? Might make it easier for others and save others looking for info you already have.

Ray

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Hi, Hope someone will be able to help me, im researching for a friend whos grandfather was called Harold George Baker, he was born around 1911, i have information that he was in the army about 1943-1948 , army details are ,t/92348.pte Baker HG523 Armoured Brigade Coy, RASC W/S Platoon CMF. Can anyone desipher what this means and is there anyway i could get his records?
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[alpinecottage]

I think Jean means she has researched her own family in Scottish records and therefore isn't used to English ones ?

Jean, if you buy the wedding cert of Harold and elizabeth, it will give you the names and occupations of both their fathers.

[[Ray]]

Hi AlpineCottage

You have highlighted the problem, thank you.
You assume "Jean"'s family, I assumed the Baker family, I just wanted confirmation that (I/you) was wrong. 

How was his dob rrived at?
How was the Kelly marriage arrived at?
Before people invest time , what is known?

I'd love to help . . . . .

Cheers.

Ray

[alpinecottage]

The marriage took place in Lewisham in Dec Quarter 1936 ( Ref; Lewisham 1d 1987).  The brides name was Eliza Kelly (on the marriage index).  The cert will cost £9.25 from GRO at Southport - google it to order online.

There is a possible birth for Harold, Harold G Baker, also in Lewisham in Mar Quarter 1912, mother's maiden name Maggett. (ref Lewisham 1d 2224).  Can't see any Baker/Maggett marriages though, but you could try playing with the spelling of Maggett as it's a really unusual surname.  Try on Freebmd www.freebmd.org.uk - which is where I also found the marriage details.

[Valda]

Hi

There is a Harold George Baker on the Lewisham electoral roll in Sunderland Road in 1937. The other Bakers listed with him, he is listed last, are Elizabeth and Frederick Baker.
A Harold George Baker is listed on the Lewisham electoral roll between 1933-1937 at two addresses..
1933 23 Ravensbourne Park Crescent with Elizabeth Baker
1934 same address with Elizabeth Baker
1936 121 Sunderland Road with Elizabeth Baker and Frederick - Elizabeth's name appears first followed by Harold George.
1937 same address

If he died from 1969 onwards then the date if birth is given with the death registration (if known by the person registering the death) commencing half way through the year. The middle initial of second names is also from then given in full. With a common name like Harold George Baker that would allow for the elimination of others born around 1911.


Regards

Valda

[[Ray]]

Hi Valda

You are also highlighting assumptions by us, not on facts passed to us.

Regards

Ray

[CaroleW]

Hi Jean

What we really want to know is, did Harold remarry? And did he have other children

That's a toughie I'm afraid - you would need to check if there was ever a divorce from Elizabeth and then look for a marriage sometime after the decree absolute

If there was no divorce - he would only be able to legally marry after her death

If he just co-habited - it would be virtually impossible to find any more info re: second family etc

although he did try to keep in touch with his son by writting, although his son never got the letters untill a few years ago when they were found in his mothers belongings.

Was there any address on the letters to indicate the area in which he was living

[Valda]

Hi

The electoral rolls confirm he was at the address with his wife until 1937 but also with someone called Frederick Baker who must be over 21 to be on the electoral rolls.

Obtaining a birth certificate if that was possible, may help find a death certificate. As Carol says this is a toughie. Without a proven death certificate the Ministry of Defence will not release his Second World War army records which may give further information, such as next of kin and a later address which might help in picking him up on a later electoral roll and therefore anyone living with him.


It is costly to request a search for a decree absolute

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Registeringlifeevents/Marriagesandcivilpartnerships/DG_175718

If there were a divorce Elizabeth would have known about it as probably would have other members of her family.


Regards

Valda