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Re: Fancy a Challenge? Manchester?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 02 October 12 08:09 BST (UK) »
the more I look the more I wonder if its lord street southport,is that the whole photo or is there more at the top so that we could see the buildings.

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I see what you mean Mike, it's something about the wide pavements. Unfortunately, what you see is all I have. I did say it was a long shot.

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Re: Fancy a Challenge? Manchester?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 02 October 12 08:40 BST (UK) »
 ;D ;D  Would have been easier if it were a 'longer' shot - including some 'scenery'!!   ;) ;)   ;D

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Re: Fancy a Challenge? Manchester?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 02 October 12 10:26 BST (UK) »
;D ;D  Would have been easier if it were a 'longer' shot - including some 'scenery'!!   ;) ;)   ;D

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Re: Fancy a Challenge? Manchester?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 02 October 12 11:16 BST (UK) »
Its interesting, isn't it, tell us about the original, a scanned negative, a contact print, an enlargement? the cyclist is no more blurred than the rest, I would think a box brownie at 1/50th woul  have blurred her a bit. She is in short sleeves but most are wrapped up against the cold, her bike looks newish but the sun is hiding all the detail

Did manchester have its trams still in1948ish, I dont see any tramlines, but then I never saw the sun shine like that in Manchester  :) :) :).

the direction  of the sun is right for southport mid afternoon

Is the lady the subject or did she just walk into the shot, she is clearly in mid-walk and smartly dressed with gloves on, why keep it, I  would not have printed it off given the price of printing paper then

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Re: Fancy a Challenge? Manchester?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 02 October 12 12:21 BST (UK) »
OK I'll tell you what I know.

I'm told the lady is Hilda Wilkinson (born in Chorlton-cum-hardy, Manchester, circa 1900) who "married" my grandfather Henry Roberts in Montreal in 1928 before the pair came back to England in 1930. I say "married" as Henry was, at the time, married to someone else so they weren't actually married; legally speaking.

Henry died in 1945 after which Hilda continued to call herself Mrs Roberts so I suspect she never knew Henry was a bigamist. She left the home they'd share for 10 years, on the Wirral, sometime in 1946. I've no idea where she went although a relative of Hilda's, who sent me the photograph, remembers meeting her in Manchester during the mid-1940s.

Where she went, when she died, I have no idea but she had connections with Montreal, Birkenhead and Manchester.

The photograph is, I assume, a photographic copy of a print so its quite likely the "out of focus" impression it gives is as much to do with its copying as the original image. I think all point-and-shoot cameras before 1960 had a single 1:50 second shutter speed and, in those days, you didn't get the option of printing out individual shots; you had the film developed and printed in one go (contact prints or en-prints depending upon the size of the negatives). Whether 1:50 sec. would have blurred the cyclist is debatable.

I too have wondered about everyone but the cyclist being wrapped up. I've also wondered whether Hilda, who seems to be dressed up, was on her way to or from court in Birkenhead. The lodger she took on in 1945 was murdered although whether she was involved in the subsequent trial (Feb 1946) I don't know.

I think that the Manchester trams were gradually replaced by trolley-buses during the latter half of the 40's.

Whether any of this will help I don't know but I know you all like a good mystery!

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Re: Fancy a Challenge? Manchester?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 02 October 12 13:01 BST (UK) »
Would I be right in thinking that the length of the shadows indicate that it's Summer?  This is born out by the dress of the cyclist but having said that the couple in the background look dressed for winter.

If it is summer the lady she is overdressed, possibly because she has been or is going somewhere important.
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Re: Fancy a Challenge? Manchester?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 02 October 12 13:48 BST (UK) »
I wonder if the real mystery is why was the photo taken and who by?

She does look dressed up for a court case doesn't she, I wonder , since murders were less common iin those days and attracted lots of media attention, it was hastily taken by  a newspaper photographer--------ie: his landlady on her way to or from giving evidence---- its not a holiday shot or a posed picture of a friend I dont think.

Unless of course the photographer was panning the attractive cyclist and she just got in the way---but then who would know who she was
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Re: Fancy a Challenge? Manchester?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 02 October 12 13:54 BST (UK) »
I've read maggies thoughts again and I'm not sure the sun ever gets that high in february

perhaps we will never know
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Re: Fancy a Challenge? Manchester?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 06 October 12 06:07 BST (UK) »
Not sure about the place but with a wide pavement I would have thought designed for a lot of people walking so could possibly be a seaside town. However  as it is not crowded it could be 'out of season'.

The way Hilda is dressed her jacket looks like it is a short sleeved type that ends at the elbows and the 'crumpled' look to the  forearms could be either a blouse or maybe long gloves. 

Wonder if the photo could have been taken by someone she knew but it wasn't until the film was developed that it was discovered the picture wasn't clear.

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