Farming Bailiff called William Morris early 1800's

[daisydigg]

Hi there

I have come up against a wall.

My great,great,grandfather was definately a farming bailiff and was called William Morris.(no middle name) I have this information from his sons (also William Morris) marriage cert dated 1864. His son was born 1819 so the farming bailiff William would've had to be born at least at the end of the 1700's.
Is there another name for farming bailiff? The sons marriage was registered in Marylebone and he lived in Notting Hill but William Morris could've been from anywhere!

I have been looking for this side of the family for 15 years without much luck, so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
daiseydigg

[DORAN54]

 hi,  so wm morris the son was 45 when he married is that right?  can you tell us his wifes name it will be a little more to go on

[behindthefrogs]

I suppose you could call a farm bailiff a farm manager.  He would have run the farm for the person who actually owned it.  This could have been the lord of the manor, someone of higher rank or someone with money.  The owner often lived close to the farm but would have had little to do with the day to day running of it.

[daisydigg]

Hi
yes sorry!

ok, William married Fanny May on 9th Nov 1864. He was 45, and a widower (gentleman) and she was 39 and a spinster. I have already traced the Mays and they came from Henley on Thames and hoped that, there was where they met, but that is not the case.
As an aside, on Williams death cert (he died 23 July 1865) his occupation is retired butler. And on his will it says he was previously of No 34 Grovesnor Sq (where he was in service) Fanny May was also in service before they met but across kensington, so could they have met this way?
They had my grandfather out of wedlock in 1862.
He was registered as George Morris May. Presumably he drops the May bit when William marries Fanny.
Hope this helps.
This is ALL i have.
Oooo apart from the name of the people William worked for at Grosvenor Sq. Richard Benyon de Beauvoir. I have checkd out his other estates but nt really come up with anything.
Thank you
daisydigg

[daisydigg]

I suppose you could call a farm bailiff a farm manager.  He would have run the farm for the person who actually owned it.  This could have been the lord of the manor, someone of higher rank or someone with money.  The owner often lived close to the farm but would have had little to do with the day to day running of it.

Thank you for this behindthefrogs!!
I will start searching for a farm manager.
Thank you

daisydigg

[Valda]

Hi

Possible candidate

1861 census RG9 54 folio 151
1 Albert Gate St Margaret's Westminster
William Morris 41 Servant Married Butler Cle? Herefordshire

Now the French Embassy - don't know when it became the French Embassy


1851 census HO107 1484 folio 257
20 St James W St James Westminster
In the household of Robert Shafto Adair? Baronet
Willm Morris 30 Servant Unmarried Butler Dot? Herefordshire


Regards

Valda

[daisydigg]

Hi Valda

This could be William Morris jnr!
I don't know how you did that in 30 mins..u r a genius!

Thank u so much.

daisydigg

[Valda]

Hi

7th May 1820 Clehonger Hereordshire
William Morris parents William and Ann

Siblings see Family Search for further details of these baptisms in Clehonger

1814 John
1816 Mary
1818 Harriet
1822 Eliza
1825 James


1841 census HO107 427 Bk10 folio 10
Clehonger Herefordshire
William Morris 60 Ag lab
Ann Morris 50
John Morris 25 Ag lab
Eliza Morris 15
George Morris 10
All born in county
Adult ages, those over the age of 15, usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census.

1851 census HO107 1977 folio 133
Painshill? Clehonger Herefordshire
William Morris 71 Head Married Ag lab Clehonger Herefordshire
Ann Morris 63 Wife Married Can? Herefordshire
John Morris 37 Son Unmarried Ag lab Clehonger Herefordshire
Plus 1 hose servant

The occupation of William in Clehonger doesn't rule him out as a possible father since there is a tendency when people marry to suggest their father's status was higher than it was. Social status for servants in grander households was very important to them. No butler would want to admit his father was an Ag lab.


These are possibles which are not proven. If William Morris in Westminster is correct he must have married for the first time between 1851 and 1861.


Regards

Valda

[stanmapstone]

Hi there

Is there another name for farming bailiff?
daiseydigg

Farm steward.
From the Dictionary of Occupational Terms: Bailiff, farm bailiff, farm manager, farm steward.

Stan