COMPLETED John & Eliza Drew living in Mile End New Town

[ciderdrinker]

Me again
George Charles Baker baptised 2.7.1854 St Mathew Bethnal Green to George and Jane Elizabeth Baker wheelwright Old Samuel St. .
1871 a groom aged 19 at 73 Lyall Mews West witha possible sister Emily Sarah 16 housemaid.
1881 married 29 painter Blenheim Terrace ,no one else in household.
After that he just disappears.So in theory George Charles Baker and Mary Ann nee Drew split up c 1881 and she moves back to her parents.He goes wherever but she still married can't remarry  but by 1888 is with George Vidler butcher and it looks like small time crook.
William ,Edwin and Eliza look like Mr Baker 's children and Gertrude and down are Mr Vidler's which leaves Margaret and Herbert .
William Henry could be the first names of their father,with a drifferent surname or just someone Bertie remembered growing up with.If he remembered his grandfather John then maybe his mother came up with a different name ,which doesn't explain why she just didin't name George Charles Baker.

Ciderdrinker

[Descendant of Murby]

WOW!

Thanks for all this information! This is getting more and more fascinating! Herbert Henry's grandsons (aged 50 and 54) are going to be fascinated! I did warn them that things could be a bit involved! And they are!

I am just trying to process all this info - by writing it out in a 'tree' for myself. I am sure I will have more questions. Many thanks for the illuminating facts and conjectures so far.....

Could anyone find a possible birth record for Mary Ann Drew? Her age does flucuate a bit on the censuses! There's a Mary Ann Drew born Dec period Whitechapel 1853 - do you think that could be her?

And could I also ask your opinions on Edwin J Drew aged 11 months in the 1871 census born Whitechapel, living with Mary Ann Drew and John and Eliza (grandparents)? I can't find any record of an Edwin Drew on the BMD index being born at the right time - even a 'male' Drew. And he doesn't seem to be in the 1881 census (the other Edwin J Drew is aged 4 on this 1881 census so it can't be him!). I can't find a death record for him either.

thanks again - now 'processing' - I will return!

Descendant of Murby (and I thought my family was complicated!)

[Descendant of Murby]

Hi

By the way,.... on the subject of George Vidler(s) - the George Vidler, instrument maker, aged 24 with wife Mary and children is George Vidler SENIOR - eg the father of George Vidler the butcher (who shacked up with Mary Ann DREW). I think! Little George, aged 5 on this 1871 census, is our butcher boy (I think, as the ages and place of birth stack up, as he was born in c. 1866 and is about 35 ish in the 1901 census). The family still seems to be together with George and Mary and children (including George Vidler the butcher aged 15) in Tarling Street, St George in the East. So, perhaps the felon is another George Vidler - it certainly isn't Mary Ann's George the butcher as he is only about 4 in 1870 when one of the offences was committed. That's a bit of a shame as I was quite excited by a felon in the family - but doesn't seem likely does it!

D of M

[Descendant of Murby]

Hi

Another question:

I agree that the 3 kids listed in the 1881 census, William, Edwin and Eliza - look like they must be Mary Ann and George Baker's kids - but why are they registered as DREWS? It seems like they are on the BMD index - William Drew born Whitechapel 1874, Edwin John DREW born Mile End, 1877 and Eliza Adelaide DREW born 1880 in Mile End. Why would she do this do you think? Just wondering? Was it because she realised things with George Baker weren't going anywhere.....?

D of M
 

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
Yes you're right about William,Edwin and Eliza ,I hadn't looked up their birth registration.
Looking at it ,there's a baptism for Edwin John Drew to John and Mary 26/8/1877 at St Jude's Bethnal Green with John a commercial traveller Charlotte St..And as you say George Baker must have gone from the scene by the time William was born in 1874.So it seems that all the older children must have the same Dad but not George Baker(there are no deaths for Geogre Charles Baker but there is a  George Baker died  June 1874 St Saviour age 24 ).
The school records show
William Drew born May 1874 admitted to Turin Street School 30.1.1883 father John Drew  1 Fleet St Hill.
Edwin Drew born  7.8.1878 (which I know is out)admitted Lower Chapman St 30.11.1885 from 10 mary St parent Mary Ann.
Strangely I can't find admissions for the rest or and Vidler children at all on school admissions.
I did have a look for the other Edwin J Drew but no luck.He can't be Edwin's son because he already had a son Edwin in 1867 who's alive and well on the 1891.So must be one of the daughter's.
As for Mary Ann Drew I think you have the right one there as it fits with her marriage ,death and the 1871 census.
Can I just ask which site you found the Drew's on in 1861 because I'm using Ancestry and I've piled through the index ,even using first names and can't find them?
Ciderdrinker

[Descendant of Murby]

Hi Ciderdrinker

Thanks again for all your help and comments. Very much appreciated.

Just a quick message as I am away for a week now and wanted to thank you before I go. I have just checked the 1861 census and no, I can't find them. So I think I must have got mixed up... what with all my searches. I have found a Mary Ann Drew born c, 1851 in Stepney Limehouse but I can't 'click into' her. This is on Genes Reunited. But I can't find John or Eliza or any of the other children you found. This is frustrating as it would be good to see who is 'around' in the Drew family at this time. I don't know where they can have got to! If you have any luck finding them, please let me know. I will be back on line in a week or so.

Thanks again.

Descendant of Murby

[Descendant of Murby]

Just seen there's an Eliza Edwards born in 1813 (place not named) living in Whitechapel Mile End New Town on Genes Reunited 1861 - do you think this could be her? Remembering she seems to change her name to Edwards after John Drew dies.... and is Eliza Edwards in 1881. Just a thought. I can't access it but it could be her.....