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Re: JOHN EGGE - WENTWORTH, NSW
« Reply #9 on: Monday 24 September 12 08:26 BST (UK) »
1875 Greville's Directory for Wentworth includes:

Egge, John, inn and store keeper
Perring, Mrs, midwife
Perring, Richard
Seward, William

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Re: JOHN EGGE - WENTWORTH, NSW
« Reply #10 on: Monday 24 September 12 10:05 BST (UK) »
Here's the marriage cert. I had the same thought as you Cando about the surname Seward but when I look at the name again all I see is 'Lenord'. EB

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Re: JOHN EGGE - WENTWORTH, NSW
« Reply #11 on: Monday 24 September 12 10:30 BST (UK) »
Yes but what you see and is not what the registrar or Greville's directory have :).

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1875 Greville's Directory for Wentworth includes:

Egge, John, inn and store keeper
Perring, Mrs, midwife
Perring, Richard
Seward, William
Jeanlit...thanks Jean :)

You are not permitted to post the complete certificate on rootschat.  Can you attach a snip of the signature only?
http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting.php#add_attach

Where and when did you gggrandmother's marriage take place?

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Re: JOHN EGGE - WENTWORTH, NSW
« Reply #12 on: Monday 24 September 12 10:36 BST (UK) »
I've had a look at the certificate - is it co-incidence that all the writing on the certificate appears to be in the same handwriting?

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Re: JOHN EGGE - WENTWORTH, NSW
« Reply #13 on: Monday 24 September 12 10:44 BST (UK) »
I was typing up the post with the red warning light...could see the text of your messge but not the certificate.

The certificate is all written in the same hand.  Yes it does look like Lenord but could also be Seward.  It is not Adelaide's signature as the name has simply been transcribed.  I am not au fait with NSW certificates.

This death places them in the area
2843/1868    
SEAWARD    James R   
Father William  Mother Adelaide
District Wentworth      

1875 has the SEWARD's living at Wentworth.  

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Re: JOHN EGGE - WENTWORTH, NSW
« Reply #14 on: Monday 24 September 12 10:45 BST (UK) »
I've had a look at the certificate - is it co-incidence that all the writing on the certificate appears to be in the same handwriting?

Jean



Yes it appears to be transcribed.  As I mentioned I not familiar with NSW certs.  When you purchase a cert in Vic you get a photocopy of the actual entry in the register with the bride, groom, witness and officiating minister's signatures.

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Re: JOHN EGGE - WENTWORTH, NSW
« Reply #15 on: Monday 24 September 12 11:18 BST (UK) »
Adelaide and William both died in Mildura.  They were on the 1909 electoral roll living at Lime Avenue.  Wm had occupation labourer.

SEWARD Adelaide Jane
Father PERRING, Peter  Mother Jane COOMBS
At Mildura  79 years  1909  Reg#13583

SEWARD William
Parents unknown
At Mildura  84 years  1909  Reg#13591

A funeral notice for William published in the Mildura Cultivatstates Wm is to be buried at Wentworth cemetery. 
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There is no SEWARD MI but there is an EGGE one.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/wentworth_church.htm

The research places Adelaide SEWARD in Wentworth area between 1868 and 1909.  I am convinced the name is Adelaide SEWARD on your gggrandmother marriage certificate in 1875.

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Re: JOHN EGGE - WENTWORTH, NSW
« Reply #16 on: Monday 24 September 12 12:58 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

I hope I can help with some info  :)


Firstly it is very very likely that the NSW BDM would be issuing a certificate based on a summary report that has NOT ever been reconciled with any Church register....... 

Question ..... Is there any markings outside the margin near where the Father's Rank/Profession OUGHT to be recorded?   If not, then I would anticipate that there has been NO reconciliation.   

Background :   Until 1895 the Clergy of NSW were usually sending ONLY a summary of their registers for marriage to the NSW BDM.   Thus they were NOT including the birth place/s for the bride/groom not their respective ages, nor the details for the four parents, nor the occupations of the fathers of the bride/groom .

HOWEVER;D  ;D  ;D that information was of course required to be collected by Church Law and recorded on the Parish Register.   EDIT TO ADD I am not sure which Diocese covers Wentworth,  perhaps Bathurst/Wilcannia ?  I think the Bathurst Diocese is currently being transcribed  :) and could be on familysearch.org in the not too distant future.   I am waiting on confirmation of that from another RChatter re a marriage in the 1870s at Lucknow 

In 1912 the Reconcilation process (NSW BDM records to Church Registers) commenced.    But The Great War saw many of the BDM clerks enlist (often to perform vital clerical and admin duties, including preparing the information for Base Records and sadly often preparing the coded telegrams for the families back home).   

The reconciliation process has not ever been completed  (NSW BDM has a long history of funding issues ! back to when it was first established ! ).

I think you will find that any mc from any rural/regional area of NSW has most likely never been reconciled, and thus it is most likely that the NSW BDM mc is in the ONE hand, usually that of the Officiating Minister.    As I understand it, the mc shows a marriage in November 1874, and a NSW BDM registration in 1875.    This, to me at least, indicates that the clergyman submitted the details at the END of the Dec Quarter, perhaps along with all (if any) other marriages he had conducted that quarter/that year.    Perhaps he spent ONE full day writing up the summaries for the quarter/year, perhaps late December or early January.   Thus a marriage recorded in his parish register for November may mean he had to rely on his own memory as to Adelaide's surname IF her handwriting was causing him difficulty in reading her signature.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html   This is a thread I did up about how to overcome hurdles on NSW BDM mcs from that era.

Cheers,  JM
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Re: JOHN EGGE - WENTWORTH, NSW
« Reply #17 on: Monday 24 September 12 13:12 BST (UK) »
I have just re-checked one of NSW BDMs webpages.  The link http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/historyofRegistrysRec.htm

The vital words "The task of reconciling the Church Records for marriages between 1856 and 1895 was never finalised. Some of the Registry's marriage records from these years still have missing information. "

 and  (my highlighting in red)

 "The task of reconciling the Early Church Records and amending the marriage registrations was never finalised. The Registry's records from these years are not complete and it can be worthwhile for genealogists to contact the relevant church to find details missing from a marriage certificate or in the case of a birth, a baptism record where there is no corresponding civil registration."

Cheers,  JM
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