Hi KarenLee Yes I have my Joshuas mixed up yet again!
The Joshua I was should have given was born circa
1862 and Edward was his brother. A big thank you for the details you have given, I have got things totally mixed up (Joshua should read Edward, I had an Elizabeth for him with no surname. Thats why I was hoping for a Watermans Guild look up as I know their records usually give apprentices fathers details. But you info really does help a lot, thanks so much.