John Clarke Marshalsea Prison 1838 and 1841

[Kiwicol]

John Clarke was the informant when his mother Jane died in 1838, both were residing at 47 Pleasant Place, Lambeth, Surrey at the time.
Googling that address, it had two hits both to London Gazette entries for John Clarke of 47 Pleasant Place, being admitted to Marshalsea debtors prison.
He is not there on the 1841 census and have been unable to find him on 1841 and 1851 censuses.
Jane's death certificate said she was widow of Matthew Clarke, but John does not show on IGI as a child to this couple, perhaps not surprising as sons Henry and Richard were not baptised until in their 20's.
Hoping some Chatter may have come across John, who was a jobbing slater and slater on above Gazette notices.
Thanks,

[..claire..]

Hi

Could this be your man in 1837

All Souls Parish Church Marylebone  19 August 1837

John Clarke 39 widower    slater of 18 Johanna Street. Father: Matthew Clarke~clerk
Elizae Castleman widow 39  Titchfield Street. Father: Richard Merry~cordwainer
Both signed register
Witnesses: Charles James Busshell and ?

claire

[Kiwicol]

Not sure, but our mans father was a labourer or a sawyer, wondering how many Matthew Clarkes were having kids named John who were slaters
there was a Matthew Clark married a Jane Lewis (on igi) Faversham Kent in 1797, they had 2 children between 1797 and 1800 baptised, then 3 in 1815, my known ones had one in 1800, one in 1807, at st Marys Lambeth 2 sons born 1808 and 1810 baptised in 1828 and a daughter born and baptised in 1819, so both of them if different familes were trady with baptisms.

[mosiefish]

On the same day that Richard and Henry were baptised in 1828 was a Sarah Clarke born 26th December, 1818 - parents John and Sarah of Vine Street occupation Slater. There is also a Jane Elizabeth Clarke baptised 7th June, 1829 at St. Mary, Lambeth parents John and Sarah of Joanna Street, occupation Slater.  The marriage in 1837 is looking quite good.

Mo

[Kiwicol]

The little girl died in 1831 at Johanna Street, so it looks like it may be the same man

[GrahamSimons]

If you are very lucky you may be able to turn up the records of the bankruptcy hearing. I've failed to find some, but the one I did find gave details on a family dispute and was fascinating. I found one ancestor in debtors' prison and had a researcher follow up the prison records for me, although in the end not much more came to light. If you haven't seen it, this guidance may help: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/bankrupts-insolvent-1710-1869.htm

[Kiwicol]

I see Marshalsea was closed in 1842, what would have happened to those confined there then?

[PrueM]

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshalsea#Closure_and_abolition:

"The Marshalsea was closed by an Act of Parliament in 1842, and on 19 November that year, the inmates were relocated to the hospital at Bethlem if they were mentally ill, or to the King's Bench Prison, at that point renamed the Queen's Prison."

 

[09192148]

Marshalsea Records are  at Kew National Archives, here in England.

I will probably go & have a look, I'm only an hour or so away

the index reference for 1838 arraignment is in the set PRIS  11/12
the index reference for 1841 arraignment is in the set PRIS  11/13

Catalogue states :----Mainly commitment and discharge books for the Marshalsea Prison. The day commitment books record the name of the debtor brought into custody, the names of the creditor and attorney, with the damages and sums concerned.