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Re: Samuel PEARCE - Birth & Death
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 12:35 BST (UK) »
It looks possible he was still married to Emlin when he married Catherine!!

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Re: Samuel PEARCE - Birth & Death
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 12:51 BST (UK) »
I just noticed that - hmmm he may have been a bit shifty! Makes you wonder why he was such a jack of all trades?

Poor Emlin! I wonder if she ever knew he "remarried".
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Re: Samuel PEARCE - Birth & Death
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 12:57 BST (UK) »
She sticks to her status as married through her life, as though gone but will not be forgotton.

Also he moves from South of the Thames to North London, perhaps to put miles between anybody that may know him. He is missing right from the 1861 census with Emlin, so could have disappeared long enough for people not to know?

I still wonder about the Surgeon occupation?

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Re: Samuel PEARCE - Birth & Death
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 13:03 BST (UK) »
Charlotte Wortham bapt 25/1/1792 Royston parents George & Louisa

married John Pearce Fen Stanton Huntingdon 21/5/1811

two possible bapt. for John

John Pearce bapt 1/5/1788 Barrington Cambridgeshire parents William & Rebecca

John Pearce Bat. 15/12/1782   "              "                      "      James & Mary

All in the right area

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Re: Samuel PEARCE - Birth & Death
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 21:15 BST (UK) »
Hi

Barrington Cambridgeshire and Shoreditch where James Pearce was born circa 1790 are just over 50 miles apart. So any connection to Cambridgeshire would have to be through James' father a generation before, so approximately 1760-1770 birth. From that possible birth in Cambridgeshire and move to the London area, the two potential family lines would have to stay in touch for what appears to be a bigamous marriage in 1867 a hundred years later reconnecting them. Families in villages do stay connected over long periods of time because of their close proximity but it is much rarer for family lines over longer distances to remain in touch for this length of time with all the deaths in between that must have occurred. Not impossible but it is a big gap and this is the London area with a very large population and a not particularly unusual surname in the mix. The 1851 census shows over 2,000 Pearces living in the county of Middlesex.

One tree online states James' parents as Nathaniel 1769-1847 and Elizabeth born circa 1776. There is a James Pearce baptism in 1792 to these parents but in Holborn not Shoreditch. James on censuses gives an age that would fit for a birth circa 1789/1790. There is a baptism of a James Pearce at St Leonard Shoreditch 26th December 1790 born 26th November parents James and Ann of Hoxton Town. There are 4 other baptisms of children to a James and Ann Pearce at St Leonard's.


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Re: Samuel PEARCE - Birth & Death
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 30 September 12 13:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all this information.

Where would the best chance of finding a transcript of Samuel's birth record?? & a way of confirming when James & Charlotte's marriage was? I would imagine James' marriage would have his father's details on it for a starting point to confirm these details??

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Re: Samuel PEARCE - Birth & Death
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 30 September 12 17:05 BST (UK) »
Hi

Civil registration began 1st July 1837. From then on father's names and occupations were required on the new format of marriage registers. Between 1754 and 1st July 1837 marriage registers had a different format which required the name and status (bachelor, spinster etc) of those marrying, their parish of residency for the last three weeks, whether the marriage was by banns or licence, their signatures and two witnesses signatures. If they were under age (below 21) and admitted it, then the register should also state they were a minor.

Unless a parish register gives a date of birth and the earlier the record is the less likely that will be, there is no birth record before civil registration only baptismal dates. The baptism in 1833 was indexed on the Family Search website which usually includes a birthdate in the index if one was written in the register. Westminster Archives hold the parish registers for St Clement Danes. Westminster Archives parish registers are being digitalised and placed on the website Find My Past.

Jennifer in her post of 22nd September transcribed a possible marriage entry for Samuel's parents James and Charlotte in 1812 at St Dunstan's Stepney. Both were of the hamlet of Mile End Old Town and were bachelor and spinster. The marriage was by banns. Jennifer included in her post all the other information found in the register except the name of the vicar.

Except for parishes in Westminster in Middlesex and some other individual exceptions the London Metropolitan Archives holds the parish registers of the those parishes in the county of London when it was formed in 1889 as well as the parish registers for the remaining part of the county of Middlesex which eventually became part of Greater London in 1965. The parish registers deposited at the LMA  have been digitalised on the Ancestry website.


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