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Re: robert blackmore
« Reply #27 on: Monday 27 October 14 01:05 GMT (UK) »
I have a lot of questions still to be answered...

*   Why did Robert leave Phyllis and disspear after the war?

*   Was he married twice!? [Refer to next posting ]

From Australian newspapers - at TROVE website :
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

"Sydney Morning Herald" - 15 October 1938 - page 13
Mr Philip WIRTH's Estate     [Search on "Phyllis LINQUIST" ]

[Extract from article]

... "applicant's [Phyllis LINQUIST's] marriage with BLACKMORE took place in 1912.
She left him because of cruelty in the following year.
He [BLACKMORE] enlisted as a combatant in 1914 and in 1917 was posted as missing.
In 1926 the applicant [Phyllis] married LINQUIST.
She [Phyllis] had a son by her first marriage."

... the article continues with "Allegation of Bigamy" ....

[Note:   I have more to add in a following post concerning information contained in the above article. ]

  ~  Lu


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Re: robert blackmore
« Reply #28 on: Monday 27 October 14 01:17 GMT (UK) »
[Robert BLACKMORE]

*  Was he married twice ?

From FREE BMD [UK] website :
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Marriages - DEC - 1933

Edith E. GADSBY
Robert BLACKMORE
Registered at:  Derby

[The names of the sons you gave earlier, are shown under Births on above website, with mother's surname recorded as GADSBY. ]

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Re: robert blackmore
« Reply #29 on: Monday 27 October 14 02:19 GMT (UK) »

"Sydney Morning Herald" - 15 October 1938 - page 13
Mr Philip WIRTH's Estate     [Search on "Phyllis LINQUIST" ]

[Extract from article]

... "applicant's [Phyllis LINQUIST's] marriage with BLACKMORE took place in 1912.
She left him because of cruelty in the following year.

He [BLACKMORE] enlisted as a combatant in 1914 and in 1917 was posted as missing.

She [Phyllis] had a son by her first marriage."

... continuing from Reply #  27

The son of Phyllis LINQUIST (formerly BLACKMORE, nee WIRTH), appears to have been one "Charles Phillip BLACKMORE".
[This man died on or about 7 March 1986 in New South Wales, aged 71 years (born c. 1915) ]

The question is, was he in fact the son of Robert BLACKMORE ?

In the above 1938 article, it was stated that Phyllis left her husband (Robert BLACKMORE) the year following their 1912 marriage (i.e. 1913).

Again in an article > "Sydney Morning Herald" - 4 June 1941 - page 6 - Bigamy Charges
 > it is stated that Phyllis (LINQUIST) ..."had not seen BLACKMORE since 1913".

So, exactly when and where was the child Charles Phillip BLACKMORE born ??

According to information given in a WIRTH family tree (at ancestry.com), this child (Charles Phillip) was born on "10 November 1914 in Niles, California, USA." 
[Note: Information from family trees published online should be treated with caution, especially in instances where the sources of such (info) have not been given. ]

And, according to the Attestation form of Robert BLACKMORE - Regimental # 53134 - Royal Garrison Artillery, he enlisted in Liverpool (UK) only a matter of days before (the birth) on 7 November 1914.   ???

Phyllis appears to have lived in the USA for a time ... see next post >

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Re: robert blackmore
« Reply #30 on: Monday 27 October 14 02:42 GMT (UK) »
Phyllis LINQUIST (formerly BLACKMORE) :

The following article (from TROVE) gives some background on Phyllis.

"The Cumberland Argus and Fruitgrower's Advocate" (NSW) - 2 September 1937 - page 5
-- Daughter of the late Philip WIRTH :   Living on the Dole for Three Years :

[Extracted info.]

  ... whilst on holiday in New Zealand she married the Rev. Robert BLACKMORE  [Note: Says Phyllis was aged 16 ? - though according to Australian birth records she was born in 1892 in South Australia]

.... They [Phyllis and Robert] returned to Australia* - he joined the circus as a town? agent.

... Mrs BLACKMORE later left the circus and went to America.   A child was born to her.

... She [Phyllis] worked in jobs in the USA during her 5 year stay in the States.
Just before she returned in 1917 her husband was killed at war.
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* The following may, or may not be, the BLACKMOREs returning to Sydney following their marriage in New Zealand ?
"Wimmera" - from Auckland, NZ to Sydney - arrived (29) or 30 November 1912.
Passengers:  (Mesdames)  R. BLACKMORE / (Messrs)  R. BLACKMORE
[No further info available on passenger list re: ages etc. ]



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Re: robert blackmore
« Reply #31 on: Monday 27 October 14 05:05 GMT (UK) »

 In 1866 he married Margaret McGregor (1840-1889). They had five children (so far as I can find). (1) Edward Alexander (1866-1933) unmarried, known as a yachtsman. (2) James Hamilton (1872-1942) unmarried. Served as a sapper in WW1, and probably worked for his father. (3) Margaret (1874-1916 unmarried. (4)Elizabeth (1878-1968) married (1907) James Firth - two children Edward Kennington Nathan Firth born and died 1909; Beatrice Annie Margaret Firth (1908-1999) married (1930) to William Battersby (1907-1962) (5) Robert, born 1884.


Looks like sister Margaret died in 1936 - she was mentioned as surviving her brother Edward Alexander - d. 1933.
Her age at death < 59 years > showing on NZ BDM site appears to be incorrect.
There is a Probate file held at Archives NZ (Auckland) which I assume refers to her ?
BLACKMORE - Margaret - Coromandel - spinster -- 1936 :

Edited to add:     Another son ...

1869 / 15655 - BLACKMORE - Henry Kenington
Parents :   Margaret and P. H.


Death :  "New Zealand Herald" - 29 November 1895 -page 1
BLACKMORE - on November 26 at Coromandel, Henry Kennington BLACKMORE ...
NZ BDM shows his death 1895 at age 26 years.

This is probably the birth registration for the eldest son.

1867 / 15672 - BLACKMORE - Edward Alexander
Parents :   Margarett and Cliff
(I'm thinking "Cliff" is a bad transcription of the name "Philip" ?? )


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Re: robert blackmore
« Reply #32 on: Monday 27 October 14 07:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi unklep,
Have learned  a lot from Lucy2. One additional bit is the record of Robert's entry into California in June 1913, describing himself as a commercial traveller. There is some consistency in the story - if Robert went there in 1913; was followed by Phyllis; he went off to the UK to enlist, as he did, in late 1914; leaving her behind, with a child on the way. Later she returned to Sydney.

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Re: robert blackmore
« Reply #33 on: Monday 27 October 14 10:41 GMT (UK) »
This all makes sense from stories I have heard.
I had heard that he'd worked in both the USA and OZ prior to coming to England.  I was also told he looked a lot older than 74 when he died too, which, makes sense considering he was probably 10 years older!
He referred to himself as Robert Kennington Blackmore when he came to the UK. I see the name Kennington appearing in quite a few of his other family members too.
Many thanks Lucy2 and djamesp for the information, incredible.

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Re: robert blackmore
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 01 September 19 12:16 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I've just discovered some of my family tree details today. I am the great, great grand daughter of this Charles Blackmore, son of Robert and Phyllis. Thank you for the information. I had no idea about any of this and have found some home movies of the Wirth's in Coogee, Australia with the circus. The home that Phillip Wirth built has an elephant buried in the yard and my grandmother was there when it was buried. I'm not sure if they knew Robert was in the UK at all! I will phone my grand mother tomorrow and tell her! Anything else I should find out about?

Casey

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Re: robert blackmore
« Reply #35 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:47 BST (UK) »
Hello Casey107,

I am the grandson of Robert Blackmore from the UK.  I would love to know anything about Charles and your side of the family. Any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Thanks.