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Re: robert blackmore
« Reply #18 on: Friday 21 September 12 16:33 BST (UK) »
ooops  ... the address in last post "28 St. Thomas Road, Derby" may have been # "288" (as written on another page in the file).    Might need to re-check that.


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« Reply #19 on: Friday 21 September 12 16:59 BST (UK) »
Again it's interesting that in "The Canberra Times" article of 20 February 1932 the legality of the marriage between Phyllis and Edward LINQUIST is being challenged.  :-\    [Maybe I need to re-read that ?]

I wonder why it was though, that Phyllis, in her earlier search for Robert, did not get in contact with his NZ relatives ??  (Surely she knew of them ... where they lived etc. ?)
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Robert BLACKMORE -- Next-of-Kin

Finally found this at [Image 53787] - halfway through the file !   :D

"Brother, Edward - Coromander [sic], Auckland"
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And helpfully the "Auckland Star" - 15 September 1933 - page 3, carried a very informative obituary for "Mr E. A. BLACKMORE" :   ;)

 "Mr Edward Alexander BLACKMORE
 .... survived by his brothers James and Robert, his sisters Margaret and Mrs FIRTH   .. and a cousin, Annie McGREGOR ".

[Confirmation then that Robert was still around in 1933 and likely 1936 too when sister Margaret died. ]

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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 23 September 12 00:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the quite astonishing response - this really is one of those intriguing biographies! There's still a long way to go to get to the end of Robert Blackmore's life, but the evidence you have together provided suggests that he was alive and well into the 1930's, at least. For my purposes I don't think I need to verify his war record any further - you've more than adequately done that for me.
Thanks again

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« Reply #21 on: Monday 24 September 12 05:55 BST (UK) »
Hi again

Robert BLACKMORE still alive and residing in England @ April 1942 :

Source:  Death notice for brother James BLACKMORE.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Auckland Star" - 18 April 1942 - page 1 - Deaths

BLACKMORE - on April 16 at his late residence Coromandel, James, loved brother of Elizabeth FIRTH (Coromandel) and Robert BLACKMORE, England   ....

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« Reply #22 on: Saturday 25 October 14 09:08 BST (UK) »
Hello, I have been doing some research on my family and discovered this blog from 2 years ago! I believe I can tell you some further things about Robert Blackmore.  :) I would love to know more about his family in New Zealand. Can you help me? Are there still direct descendants in New Zealand?

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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 25 October 14 22:20 BST (UK) »
Hello unklep

Welcome to RootsChat.   :)

Not sure whether I can help you at all, but will try.

* What information on the family do you already have ?

* Which of Robert BLACKMORE's family are you wanting further information for ?

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« Reply #24 on: Sunday 26 October 14 00:11 BST (UK) »
Dear unklep,
This search started with a query from me.  Robert Blackmore was, briefly, a Methodist minister, as you will see from my first message. I have been trying to find out what happened to him after WW1 when he settled in the UK. His family background is, briefly:
son of Philip Henry B (1832-1892) a  miner and important mine-owner of Coromandel, 'thoroughly upright and honest' according to his obit. In 1866 he married Margaret McGregor (1840-1889). They had five children (so far as I can find). (1) Edward Alexander (1866-1933) unmarried, known as a yachtsman. (2) James Hamilton (1872-1942) unmarried. Served as a sapper in WW1, and probably worked for his father. (3) Margaret (1874-1916 unmarried. (4)Elizabeth (1878-1968) married (1907) James Firth - two children Edward Kennington Nathan Firth born and died 1909; Beatrice Annie Margaret Firth (1908-1999) married (1930) to William Battersby (1907-1962) (5) Robert, born 1884.
Robert was a Methodist minister in the period 1905-1914, off and on. He married Phyllis Marizles Wirth of the famous circus company, but the marriage foundered. Robert served in WW1 but stayed on in England. As you will see from the various exchanges above it is known that he was still alive in 1942 when his brother James died. I would be most interested to have information on  his later life, particularly when and where he died and what he did for a living. The information is for a register of NZ Methodist ministers I am compiling.
Hope you can help

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 26 October 14 06:48 GMT (UK) »
Wow, thanks for your fast and informative reply. I have only done a brief bit of research so far but it seems he was quite a colourful character. What I can tell you is he went on to live in England, Derby, I believe he had his own business. I think he died in 1968 and I sadly never met him. He had two sons in Derby one of which was my father.  My father died in 1986. I have no idea what happenend between him and Phyllis Wirth  later (Linquist) but I discovered yesterday that he possibly already had a son with her prior to moving to England!? I found an article in Trove regarding a Charles Blackmore in Australia son of Phyllis Linquist of a former marriage. That would mean my father had a half brother he new absolutely nothing about  (if true)!

I have a lot of questions still to be answered...

Where did Philip Henry Blackmore come from, was he born in New Zealand?
Why did Robert leave Phyllis and disspear after the war?
Was he married twice!?
Do I have relatives in New Zealand?

Sons were... Robert Bruce Blackmore
Derek Henry Blackmove both from Derby Uk

A lot of things I still need to dig deeper in.
Many thanks and please keep me updated on anything else and I will also.


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« Reply #26 on: Sunday 26 October 14 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Dear unklep,
I can't answer all the questions, of course, but can take an educated guess, as you might say.
Philip Henry Blackmore was born, according to the age on his death certificate, in 1832. I would think it more than highly likely that he was born in Cornwall.  Blackmore is a not uncommon name in that part of the world at that time. It certainly is in accord with his being a miner.
The only Derbyshire county death of a Robert Blackmore in 1968, according to FreeBDM, was of a Robert K. Blackmore aged 74, not 84. Could well be him - surviving family aren't always correct in  their memories of deceased parents. It would be possible to get more information if Robert's exact occupation during the years 1925 (say) to 1968 was known. He could be traced fairly easily.
The matter of his second marriage will probably be best discovered by yourself - if you have any family papers with names and dates to assist. For example your father and his brother's birth certificates would give you some leads. That part of your family history also connects with your question about why Robert and Phyllis separated - only to be answered within family memory, I would say.
There just maybe some NZ relatives. Robert's sister, Elizabeth Firth, had a daughter who became a Mrs Battersby. If you would like I could quickly check NZ births after 1930 and see where they lead.
Good luck in your digging, or mining!