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Re: mcgreal
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 22:49 BST (UK) »
Name    John J McGreal
Year of Registration    1952
Quarter of Registration    Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District    Liverpool North
Registration County    Lancashire
Age at Death:    90
Volume Number    10D
Volume Page    399

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« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 26 September 12 22:54 BST (UK) »
hi pat

its very interesting but i think you have it i have been looking on mundial if you search john mcgreal 1867 a family comes up but states father is john ralph mcgreal and mother bridget!! no surname for bridget but im in agreement that this is the right family although marriage dates differ!!i will be looking more into this tonight....

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« Reply #29 on: Thursday 27 September 12 00:37 BST (UK) »
 Hello Stacey Ralph,

Therein lies the problem. Should the father be written as John Ralph on the certificate and mother Bridget McGreal. Is it written as John Ralph and Bridget with the researcher adding McGreal to his research material. We will have to wait.

Not sure what marriage details you refer to on Mundai , as all I can see is the very basics without date or place of marriage..

Would just mention that Niamh was under the impression that John Ralph 1867 had emigrated further afield than the UK and had returned in 1891 and 1893. I have found no evidence of such migration or a corresponding census entry for a John Ralph in the UK.

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« Reply #30 on: Friday 28 September 12 15:08 BST (UK) »
hi pat...

well iv been looking at the ellis island passenger records and have come across a couple of things

Name: john ralph
Date of arrival: 25th december 1989
Age:30
Watchmaker
Nationality:irish westport
Ship: Etruria
Going to a j gibbon???
Writing i couldnt really understand!!!
next one.......


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« Reply #31 on: Friday 28 September 12 15:20 BST (UK) »
Name: john Ralph
Date of Arrival: febuary 13 1918
Age:50
Departure port:liverpool
Ship: carmania
Employed on board vessel as Fireman....
Irish
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Name: john ralph
Date of arrival:march 29 1918
Departure port: liverpool
Age 50
Ship: cretic
employed on vessel as fireman
English

other dates of travel for john ralph
Liverpool-philadelphia 1893
queenstown - boston 1898
southhampton - new york
liverpool - newyork 1901
liverpool- boston 1904

i have also found a few new passenger records for john mcgreal states job as cattleman but aslo states us citizen.....
so i think this kinda confirms john mcgreal is using duel identity.......

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« Reply #32 on: Friday 28 September 12 15:42 BST (UK) »
 Hi Stacey,

I am aware of the record, he was visitng a cousin in New York, port of departure Liverpool. It is just narrowing down the period when this individual apparently emigrated to Australia to 1899-1901 and the lack of emigration and death records in Australia still raises questions.

He does not appear on the 1901 Irish census.

Once the marriage cert arrives a new look will be required.

The 1867 Johns father is understood to have died in 1891 born late 1825 and the informant was a John Ralph of Westport. Not having seen the death cert I have to accept what I have been informed. The problem is there is a second John Ralph born about 1830, originally born in Scotland which is not substantiated by certs as yet who also dies in Westport. Two deaths in Westport one civil death  record, which is not uncommon. To complicate it further he also had a son John born in 1869.

If the 1891 death cert indicates the last occupation as watchmaker then the link is faltering on the rocks. So many questions around this family.Bridget the wife is given a birth date of 1826 as she died in 1893 by all accounts. Did she really have children at the age of 38 for Margaret and 41 for John !!

The John Ralph born 1844 appears to die in 1891 est dob given as 1840. Not sure  if  a generation gap been skipped!!

If you are going to pluck out shipping records you really should start looking at how many John Ralph there are in the US ,UK and then link them to the records you are plucking out of the air and try and find a link to Westport or Mayo. At the moment I am working with three definite John Ralph born in Mayo 1867-1869 two of whom are in Westport. You are drawing up records with no links which doesn't help.

Still no marriage cert??


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« Reply #33 on: Saturday 29 September 12 00:43 BST (UK) »
Stacey

I am related to the McGreals in Westport, there are a few McGreal, Families but ours came from Carnalurgan outside Westport.   

This would be the Patriach
 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=mc+greal&GSfn=patrick&GSmid=47069730&GRid=46095728&

One of the McGreals does marry a Ralph, these are connected to the Manulla Ralphs,
I am also a related to Niamh who was mentioned, she has extensive work done on the McGreals.

I haven't heard of any of the families emigrating to the UK, just Austrailia and the States.

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« Reply #34 on: Saturday 29 September 12 01:35 BST (UK) »
Hello Dympna,

I believe  I have previously communicated with you on Find a Grave on some other matter, and thanks again for all your work.

I too am guilty of badgering Niamh, who I am aware has done a lot of research on here own Carrabawn and other Holy Greals.

Much of what I have put forward is speculation and until the marriage cert for the Liverpool marriage is examined nothing is certain. The Ralph question transpires from two trees on Mundia.com which have have an individual called John Ralph McGreal as the father of the John who has ended up in Liverpool. This John Ralph McGreal has me baffled and my concern is that the two researchers from Mundia have looked for a 1867 birth with a McGreal connection in Westport and simply lifted the info from Deesegenes for the birth of a John to a John Ralph and Bridget McGreal and interpreted it incorrectly.

When Stacey has the cert, as I have mentioned a fresh look will be needed.

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« Reply #35 on: Saturday 29 September 12 10:59 BST (UK) »
Padraig

The McGreal -Ralph connection is pretty intertwined.

One of the Ralphs emigrated to Austrailia when Fr John McGreal PP Mayo Abbey, prevented him from marrying his cousin, one of the McGreals from the Octogan, Westport.

Then hoping not to confuse you, my GGM is Bridget daughter of Dominick McGreal, Newforest married a John Lavelle, one of their sons Thomas married an Annie Ralph in New York (also his cousin and originating from Manulla)

This is the Lavelle/Ralph Grave in New York
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Lavelle&GSmid=47069730&GRid=88409795&