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Registration of birth/baptism
« on: Wednesday 19 September 12 18:57 BST (UK) »
I have an ancestor that I cannot find the baptism record on.  He was born in between 1817 and 1818.  Did you have to register a birth through baptism at that time or was it option.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

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Re: Registration of birth/baptism
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 September 12 19:02 BST (UK) »
No, baptism is a religious ceremony nothing to do with civil registration, in any case Civil registration of births did not start until July 1837.


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Re: Registration of birth/baptism
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 September 12 21:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks that is what I thought.  So until 1837 you did not have to notify anyone that you had a child born?  The only record of the birth would be if they were baptized?

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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 September 12 21:45 BST (UK) »
Certainly between the dates mentioned (1817 and 1818) that was the case but at various earlier times births and deaths had to be registered.
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/pre1812.htm
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 September 12 21:53 BST (UK) »
I should have made clear I meant Civil Registration as required by the 1836 Act. 

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Re: Registration of birth/baptism
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 September 12 22:32 BST (UK) »
Thank you Stan and Guy for your help

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Re: Registration of birth/baptism
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 September 12 22:45 BST (UK) »
I stand to be corrected but I think Guy is wrong about births and death having to be registered.  It is baptisms and burials that had to be registered.
Forster Cul, Harrison Cul, Wood Cul Yks, Castley Cul & Wes, Lorimer Cul and Perth,Innis Cul, Casson, Cul, Johnston,Cul & Nfk, Carruthers Cul, Ewart Cul, Jardine Cul & Dmf, Story Cul, ONeill Cul & NI, Davis Cul & Ldn,

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 20 September 12 06:58 BST (UK) »
I stand to be corrected but I think Guy is wrong about births and death having to be registered.  It is baptisms and burials that had to be registered.

I take it you did not read the information on the page I gave in the url.

In 1644 an ordinance was passed that
"... and it is further ordained, by the authority aforesaid, that there shall be provided, at the charge of every parish or chappelry in this realm of England and dominion of Wales a fair register-book of velim be kept by the minister and other officers of the church; and that the names of all children baptized, and of their parents, and the time of their birth and baptizing, shall be written and set down by the ministers therein ; and also the names of all persons married there and the time of their marriage ; and also the names of all persons buried in that parish, and the time of their death and burial ; and that said book shall be showed, by such as keep the same, to all persons reasonably desiring to search for the birth, baptizing, marriage, or burial of any person therein registered, and to take a copy or procure a certificate thereof."

After the civil war period a statute of 1694 required that every clergyman should keep a register of all persons married, buried, christened or born in his parish, under a penalty of £100.

In 1695 (7th  & 8th William III., cap. 35) a similar enactment was made and also distinct registers were to be kept of children born in the parish and not christened all parents were required to give notice of a birth of a child within 5 days of the birth.   A fine of 40 shillings was imposed on parents who omitted to give notice within the five days and a similar penalty was payable by the vicar. The parents were to pay the vicar sixpence to register the birth.

In 1695 there was published  - An Act for Granting to His Majesty certain Rates and Duties upon Marriages, Births  and Burials, and upon Batchelors and Widowers, for the Term of Five Years, for Carrying on the War against France with Vigour.  Which imposed duties on the registration of Births Marriages and Burials for a period of five years. It also imposed charges on bachelors.

1783
III. And be it further enacted, That every Parson, Vicar, or Curate, or other Person having Authority to make Entries of Burials, Marriages, Births , or Christenings, who shall. from and after the first Day of October, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three, enter any Burial, Marriage, Birth , or Christening, in the Register for any Parish, Precinct, or Place, in Great Britain, before the Parchment, Vellum, or Paper, on which the Entry of such Register shall be made, shall have been duly stamped, as by this Act is directed, every such Parson, Vicar, Curate, or other Person, shall, for every such Offence, forfeit the Sum of five Pounds.
 
IV. And be it further enacted, That every Parson, Vicar, Curate, or other Person having Authority to make the Entry of any Burial, Marriage, Birth , or Christening, is hereby vested with full Power and Authority, previous to the making thereof in the Register of any Parish, Precinct, or Place in Great Britain, to demand and receive from the Undertaker, or other Person employed in and about the Funeral of any Person so to be buried, or from the Parties married, or from the Parent of the Child whose Birth or Christening is registered, or other Person requiring the Christening of such Child, the Sum of three Pence : And if such Undertaker, or other Person, so employed in and about such Funeral, or if the Parties so married, or the Parent of, or other Person bringing the Child, whose Birth or Christening shall be so required to he registered, shall neglect or refuse, on Demand, to pay the said Duty, he, or they shall, for every such Offence, forfeit and pay the Sum of five Pounds.
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Re: Registration of birth/baptism
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 20 September 12 13:55 BST (UK) »
OK Guy
Its fine to bring in this extra information but from the page I was directed to, it is only during the Commonwealth Period that parents had to notify a birth to the Parish Register and also in 1695 when the parents were required to notify (and then only for a five year period. not sure over my interpretation here).
If you read Jimmel's posts he is asking if the parents had to register a birth and generally the answer is no: it is the incumbents duty to record this.
Forster Cul, Harrison Cul, Wood Cul Yks, Castley Cul & Wes, Lorimer Cul and Perth,Innis Cul, Casson, Cul, Johnston,Cul & Nfk, Carruthers Cul, Ewart Cul, Jardine Cul & Dmf, Story Cul, ONeill Cul & NI, Davis Cul & Ldn,