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Charlesworth family, Bangalore & Hyderabad
« on: Monday 17 September 12 10:21 BST (UK) »
Hello all, I'm not sure whether anyone would be able to help or give me some pointers. This might sound a bit complicated, so please bear with me.  I hope this will all make sense!

I want to research my grandmother's family line.  She was Anglo-Indian and born in Bangalore but lived in Hyderabad.  From what I understand, her father was either British or a 'fair-skinned Anglo-Indian' (I am thinking the latter.)

My grandmother was Catholic, and there is a family story that her father converted to Catholicism.  I know that this means that his birth record could be in the Catholic diocese records or maybe Anglican. 

A couple of years ago I found some online records from the India Office of Charlesworths for Trinity Church, Bangalore.  I have looked up this church and apparently it was built by the British army, so I'm guessing would not have been Catholic.

Would anyone be able to tell me where I might find the Catholic and non-Catholic records in Bangalore (or Mysore, because I think Trinity Church now comes under Mysore.)

My grandmother was Margaret Elizabeth Charlesworth b.1900

My g grandfather was William Jonathon Charlesworth.  I believe Margaret's mother was Mary, but that she died.  I don't know if she died in Bangalore or Hyderabad.

That's pretty much all I know!  I was told that William came from a family of planters.  The record I found for Trinity Church was for the baptism of a Rosetta Charlesworth born in 1861 to a William and Charlotte Charlesworth.  William is listed as a coffee planter.  I have no idea if Rosetta, William and Charlotte are connected to my family but it sounds possible.

If anyone can offer any clues or pointers I'd be grateful!  I am hoping to go to India next year, where I may be able to look at records myself.

Thank you!


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Re: Charlesworth family, Bangalore & Hyderabad
« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 September 12 13:07 BST (UK) »
Hi there,
A good place to start is Familysearch.
They have a William Johnathon Charlesworth bapt 31.5.1875 born 15.4 1875 Bangalore ,Madras to William and Elizabeth.
Other children Ellen Elizabeth 12.1.1877/7.2.1877
                       William Douglas 18.12.1872/28.2.1877
Can't find there marriage but a baptism for William 26/6/1854 and 11/7/1854  Bangalore to William and Charlotte seems to fit.
As you know the couple had Rosetta,but also Adelaide Matilda 5/3 and 21.4.1857,David thomas 16.4. and bapt 17.6.1864 buried 13.9.1866 and David 11.11.1851 born 5.5. at Secundurabad  Madras.
They married Madras 24.2.1848  William s of William age 29 and Charlotte age 15 d of Thomas Garlah.
She died 8.9.1870 and was buried the following day at Bangalore age 38.
William may have died at Raichur Madras age 72 11.5.1892 and been buried the following day.
Not doing well on William Johnathon Charlesworth and the latter stuff but there is a British families in India Society to help and the Indian Office of the British Library to look up.
also you could try the GRO's overseas births  which I believe is on FindMyPast.
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Re: Charlesworth family, Bangalore & Hyderabad
« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 September 12 17:38 BST (UK) »
Hi thank you so much for your reply!  I need to unpick it all, but William and Elizabeth look very likely candidates to be my g g grandparents and William and Charlotte look likely to be the generation above - because that would bear out the planter story.

I need to print all these Charlesworths out and try to make sense of them.  Unfortunately they all seem to have been obsessed with the name William!  William and Elizabeth christened two sons William.  William Jonathon (who is likely to be my g grandfather) and then William Douglas.  I thought that was sometimes done when one child died but although WD was born before WJ he was christened afterwards.  If WJ IS my g grandfather, it might explain some confusion over whether his first name was William or Jonathon.  On his grave stone it is William Jonathon, but maybe people called him Jonathon...

I have a few records from the British Library, but Familysearch has produced much more.  My problem is going to be where records will be kept - by the looks of it, it could be Mysore, Bangalore or Hyderabad - possibly even Madras. 

Thank you so much for your help.  I think this is going to be a difficult one.  Part of the problem is that while some British births were recorded and kept as British records, Anglo-Indians will usually be found in just church records.  For instance, Margaret Elizabeth's husband (my grandfather) had an English father and Indian mother, but his records can't be found out of the church records in India.  It has been said that William Jonathon was 'British', so maybe if his birth is recorded in that way he was.

Oh dear, it is all so confusing!

Thank you so much!

Louise

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Re: Charlesworth family, Bangalore & Hyderabad
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 25 September 12 10:22 BST (UK) »
I've managed to unpick the Charlesworths to work out that:

William Jonathon Charlesworth b.1875 Bangalore (my g grandfather.  My g grandmother was Mary but I have not found any online marriage record)

son of

William Charlesworth b. 1854 Bangalore (m. Elizabeth)

son of

William Charlesworth b. 1819 Bangalore (coffee planter. m. Charlotte Garlah)

son of William Charlesworth


Would anybody be able to point me in the direction of what records I could try to access (even at the National Archives) to flesh this out or go further back?  Would anybody know where I would be able to access East India Company records?

Thank you all!

Louise

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Re: Charlesworth family, Bangalore & Hyderabad
« Reply #4 on: Monday 26 November 12 13:43 GMT (UK) »
Hello

I have just returned from Bangalore (went to search for my great grand father's and other  records) and may be able to assist you.

Trinity church still exists! I actually saw it 4 weeks ago. It is in the heart of the City of Bangalore.

My great grandfather  and grandmother were  British and his death is recorded so is the marriage of my grandmother.

Get in touch with the

Archbishop of Bangalore and request him to assist you and/or

Archdiocese of the Church of South India.

If your family were buried in Bangalore (Cantonment)  they would be in one of two cemeteries

Catholic Cemetery Hosur Road Bangalore

Anglican Cemetery Hosur Road Bangalore.

The records are well preserved.

For the Catholic Cemetery records write to The Parish Priest St Patricks Church Museum Road Bangalore 56001

Anglican Cemetery  St Marks Cathedral, St Marks Road Bangalore 56001 India.

There are a whole lot of Charlesworth's in Perth Australia. One of them even coached the Australian Men's hockey team.!!!

Hope you are successful. goodluck.

regards and best wishes




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Re: Charlesworth family, Bangalore & Hyderabad
« Reply #5 on: Monday 26 November 12 16:44 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that - that is really useful.  :) I'll be in Bangalore in Feb so that gives me a starting point.
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Re: Charlesworth family, Bangalore & Hyderabad
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 January 13 14:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi! It may be of interest to you, that my great grand mother's name was Elizabeth Charlesworth her husbands name John Charlesworth. He at the time was Assistant Apothecary in H.M 84th Regiment. Their son Reuben Charlesworth married Alice Ethel Irving the daughter of Sir Henry Irving at the Holy Trinity
Garrison Church Bangalore.

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Re: Charlesworth family, Bangalore & Hyderabad
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 31 January 13 10:34 GMT (UK) »
I saw their records - I think they lost a few children in a matter of days, that's why they stuck in my memory.  We're probably connected, but it's difficult to know how far back the Charlesworths go in India. And it's such a shame that it's not possible to know when the Anglo-Indian line started :(
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Re: Charlesworth family, Bangalore & Hyderabad
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 February 13 19:07 GMT (UK) »
I googled Charlesworth, Bangalore, Planter.

Came up with


Once upon a time in Bangalore on Route No. 11 « churumuri There is a Charlesworth mention here.

Steinaecker's Horse Anglo-Boer War 2: "Steinaecker's Horse", an irregular unit of about fifty mercenaries in British service, using Black armed tribesmen and operating from .

 dec 3 900      PMB        CHARLESWORTH,H.F. end 8 oct 1901               compositer. This may be one of yours.

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