Peach

[D_Anthony_H]

That really is excellent Mike - thank you so much.  The 6 December 1789 is a popular candidate.  But not as popular as the 10 January 1791 Elizabeth (Stapenhill), because the 1791 one brings with her more family data.  I am very keen on 5 April 1786 - 4 April 1787 as the baptism dates for Elizabeth, but I am happy to stretch the dates to 1 January 1785 - 31 December 1788.  Yes I know she could have lied about her age.  I also concede that she may have been baptised when a 3-year old (this would allow the 6 December 1789, but not the 12 October 1793 one because of the dates of baptisms of the other children of Job & Frances Peach).

My Scottish friend is descended from Martha Handly Peyrol (née Peach).  So I know about William Peach 2 December 1787 and Ruth Peach who are siblings of Martha.  The popular choice of parents of these three are John Peach & Elizabeth Peach (née Holbrooke), however there is a William baptised son of "John Peach" (before mothers were mentioned by name) on 2 December 1782, and yet no William buried between the baptisms of both Williams.  This is why I search for a Parish that has a suitable Elizabeth Peach baptism plus also a marriage of John Peach & Elizabeth Handly.

David

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s David. ……

The details I have posted for the “ Poor Law Sessions “
Come from that CD.MK 2. ( index only )
The Ref. No’. I have shown are for

For the full report of the cases :~

Hard copies for the case No’s QS6 & 3
These are held within the strong room of the Records Office
& have to be ordered up for you to search through

The Microfilms are in the Cabinet by the door to search room No’. 2
Over head projectors to view these are in room No’. 1 ( main search room )
Allow yourself 30 minutes per film as the cases  are not in numerical order

MIKE. …..

[D_Anthony_H]

Thank you Mike.  Your last posting will also be useful to others who read this thread and also would like to know about that precious parcel of information in the Leicestershire Record Office.

I had occasion to ask the person in charge of Room number 2 if I could see the original Parish Record of the marriage of my ancestors' marriage (Antonÿ Joseph Hoffmann & Elizabeth Peach).  I had to justify my request to him by explaining my curiosity about what looked like two dots over the y (I write this as ÿ, although I subsequently discovered that it is a special letter of the Dutch alphabet which the Dutch put as ij when in print (eg ijs for ice - but if the initial letter is capitalised the word becomes IJs - it is very strange to see what looks like two capital letters).

After I had the privilege of being able to look at the original Parish Record, I asked the Room 2 supervisor if I could have a scan of the original entry, and for a fee of £5 he kindly arranged for the original to be scanned (see snippet below)

An excellent reference for this peculiar letter of the Dutch alphabet can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IJ_(digraph)

[D_Anthony_H]

Thanks for this Mike

1807….Epiphany ~ Michaelmas Sessions
 Case QS6 / 1/1/ 636. Microfilm No’. 507.
Confirmed ……3rd January.
Elizabeth Peach, Single woman
Removal Order From Ashby de la Zouch to Castle Donnington.

And ……..

1811.
Easter Sessions
Case No’. QS3 / 387 / 9. Microfilm No’. 509.
Declaration
23th. April.
Martha Peach. Single Woman 
Male delivered….20th. April.
Removal to Castle Donnington.

And the index is on a CD in the Records Office.

David

[D_Anthony_H]

Thank you Pels for pointing out that the 1841 entry is really "n k Hufman".

At St Helen's Church in Ashby de la Zouch, the Officiating Minister was probably hard pushed with the foreign names of the Prisoners of War who came in to be married. This is what the vicar or cleric wrote at the top of the Parish Record Marriage of AJH.

There is something very strange about the way that Hoffmann is written. But it is perhaps explained by the 1841 Census of Measham that attributes the surname "Offman" to the second son of AJH. With that in mind, if you look again at the image above you can imagine that the Vicar originally wrote "Offman" but after AJH had signed his name, the vicar added the H at the beginning, and if you look very carefully, that last n is out of line with the previous letters.

But the important thing is that the index of marriages will record the name that is there after the vicar had finished his writing and corrections - Hoffmann with an "H" and two "n"s.

[D_Anthony_H]

Some of the handwriting is most challenging.  There is someone called François Peyrol who was a Lieutenant in the Army of St Domingue and who was captured 25 July 1803 (I think he was on a French Man-of-War called le Desquerne).  He is the one who married Martha Handly Peach.

On 3 May 1834 his daughter's name was "Mary Ann Peril".  This was when she married James Broomhead in All Saints, Loughborough, Leicestershire.

[D_Anthony_H]

The information about the capture of François Peyrol comes from the publication "Napoleonic Prisoners of War" by Arthur Crane, Kenneth Hillier & David Jackson:- published by Ashby Museum, 1999.
http://www.ashbydelazouchmuseum.org.uk/index.html
The Museum is dedicated to on-going research, for example they produce a journal called
"Ashby-de-la-Zouch Past and Present"
Volume One was published in December 2001.  The latest Volume is number Fourteen.

Kenneth Hillier is Chairman of the Trustees of the Museum, he is often to be found manning the desk.  So when you speak to the man behind the desk, you are speaking to someone who is a gold-mine of information.

[D_Anthony_H]

I went to Derbyshire Records Office (in Matlock) last Wednesday and conducted a very thorough search but did not find my ancestor Elizabeth Peach.  As part of my activity I searched for the Peach family of Stapenhill.  They are evidently one family.  They are not related to me, but if anyone reading this is interested in that Derbyshire family then I have put my stuff on
http://www.h1932.com/Peach/