Joshua Oldfield birth

[MattH]

Hello,
I am researching Joshua Oldfield who was born around 1813 in, as the 1851 census states, Brampton. I am trying to find a finite date of birth as well as confirm the identity of his parents being Thomas Oldfield and Mary Hopkinson. Joshua was also living in Nottingham at the time of the 1841 census, but I can't seem to locate him after 1851. I believe he may have died sometime in between that ten-year period. However, in the 1861 census, his wife, Jane, is still listed as being a married person, meaning he may be elsewhere. Suffice it to say, I figure to start out with looking for Joshua's birth record before I move on to other mysteries. Thank you!

[Derbysderek]

Hello Matt........forgive me if I doubt your information............

THOMAS OLDFIELD married MARY HOPKINSON at All Saints Derby 30.09.1790..........they did not have a son Joshua...1790 is a bit early think you not?

JOSHUA Oldfield was not born at Brampton Chesterfield..at least not in the Anglican Church ( I have the Brampton Pr's among many others.)

Having looked at many other Sources there is only one JOSHUA OLDFIELD that fits...........born 17.03.1811 baptised Brassington 14.04.1811..son of THOMAS OLDFIELD and ELIZABETH. nee SLATER who married near Ashbourne 24.10.1810

Ann Oldfield bapt 16.12.1813 and Mary Oldfield bapt.16.07.1813..were siblings of the above Joshua......
..now if he were Non-conformist or Catholic..then all bets are off!

Derek.

[MattH]

Thanks, Derek, for the wonderful information. I will say that, following my post, I was able to find Joshua Oldfield in the 1871 census. Apparently, while his family was living Snenton in Nottingham, Joshua was living in Arnold in Nottingham. He was a boarder there and working as a botanist. Not sure about what that means....he was a silk glove hand in 1841, and a Silk Framework Knitter in 1851 and 1861. (I haven't found him in 1861, but his wife, Jane, is listed as being a "wife of a FWK," which I took as being a Frame Work Knitter.)
I will say that the 1871 census has Joshua being born in Chesterfield, but I'm not sure if there is a major difference between that and Brampton, geographically speaking.
The children of Thomas Oldfield and Mary Hopkinson were all baptized into the Methodist Church; or, at least that's what it tells me on sites such as FamilySearch. It says "Methodist, Chesterfield, Derby, England." However, if this proves to be an incorrect connection then who knows to which sect he might have belonged!
Maybe this information might be able to help out a bit more. Thanks again!

[Derbysderek]

I have an oddity for you...........as you say the 1851 gives Brampton (Chesterfield) as a birthplace)..married to Janie...........he is a silk framework knitter..........

My GGGGrandfather had the same occupation..a lowly paid job..poverty  really..working from a hovel of a cottage that was his home......this was about the same time as Joshua was doin the same thing  ..only a few miles away!

In 1871 (Census) we have a JOSHUA OLDFIELD aged 53 born Chesterfield.... married........a Boarder in Arnold Nottingham......working as a Botanist!!!!!!..which to me is a professinal and highly trained job..

Since you have Janie in 1871 married..but no husband around.........is he in Arnold??

Derek.

[Derbysderek]

messages crossed!!!!............and you've answered your own question..they were Methodists..as i suggested!!

Derek

[MattH]

Not to add to the fire here, but I may have found Joshua Oldfield in the 1861 census. It's a bit of a stretch, but it works. I found a Joshua Hadfield who was born in 1813 in Brampton who was working as a framework knitter in Mansfield, Nottingham. Except now he was working in cotton and not silk.
Knowing what little I do about the profession, it almost certainly went out as the Industrial Revolution came to pass. Many humans were replaced by machines, thus making many people unemployed. (I think that was featured in a "Who Do You Think You Are?" episode....Len Goodman's, perhaps?) This might explain the shift in occupations; however, I'll agree that a botanist is a highly-skilled and academically-based profession. Perhaps the definition of a botanist was different than what we know of as today. Oddly enough, his fellow boarders were framework knitters....And, yes, Arnold is his location in 1871.
What can be done now that I may know that he was baptised as a Methodist?

[Derbysderek]

I'm still cautious about a couple married in Derby in 1790...are still having children 23 years later in Chesterfield...Methodist or not...........mind you there was no telly.....!!

[MattH]

I'll agree with you there that it seems a bit late to be having children after 23 years of marriage. I guess I'll wait and see what others might have to offer as suggestions.

[StocktonBobLeeds]

I read years ago about the workers strikes and the unhappy industrial times of Nottingham Lace and Glove makers, its worth a Amazon search to find the book or book to discover what their lot was. Nottingham was quite a pioneering centre in work grievances and strikes.  It links with Stoke on Trent in this respect. I loved Nottingham, it was a city above all others and ranked with Edinburgh, Norwich and York. Alas it's no more for reasons better left unsaid. Arnold and Mansfield are past their sell by date for the same reasons. The biography of Jesse Boot, of Boots chemist fame adds more to the knowledge pot.

As for children as we all know families of 5-6-7-8-9-10 children were common, and I had brothers and sister 15 - 20 years older than myself.