James and Andrew Murray

[liz_bern]

I am trying to find what happened to my grandfathers brothers who it is claimed went to America I am guessing sometime after 1875.  They were born in Tillicoultry, Clackmannan, Scotland on 26 April 1860 and 17 November 1862 respectively.  Their parents were William and Agnes Murray (nee Jamieson).

Hope that someone may be able to help with this.

Cheers Liz

[Lisa in California]

Unfortunately, James Murray was a common name.  Do you know when they were last seen in Scotland, or what their occupations might have been, please?  Andrew Murray is not as common, but I haven't yet found "your" Andrew Murray.

[liz_bern]

Hi Lisa,

In the 1881 census in Scotland Andrew is listed as age 18 and a Mechanic in factory.  James is not mentioned so he may have already left Scotland by then.

Yes the names are quite common unfortunately, also they were not given middle names which always makes it harder.

Hope this helps.

Cheers Liz

[Lisa in California]

There is a chance I've found Andrew.  Just reading the material now.  Will post in a minute.

[Lisa in California]

Naturalization Record
Petition for Naturalization
Andrew Murray, born 17 November 1862, Tillicoultry, Scotland.  Living: 606 East 9th Street, Chester, PA.  Occupation:  Marine Engineer.
Emigrated from Tampico?, Mexico 7 October 1914, arriving Galveston, Texas 9 October 1914 on the Herbert G. Wylie(?).
Wife's name: Agnes, born 2 November 1862, Bailleston, Scotland.  Their children: Margaret, June 10, 1887, Agnes, October 12, 1889, Marjorie, March 5, 1895, William, October 12, 1898, Jean, July 17,. 1901.  All born Scotland.
Dated:  8 September 1920.
Witness:  John H. Smith, Machinist, Chester.  Robert Gormley, Chipper() and Caulker?, (cannot read town, maybe Del County?).  Both places in Pennsylvania.

[liz_bern]

Hi Lisa,

Wow that is absolutely amazing.  So he didnt emigrate till quite late, I thought he would have gone sooner.

He is an older brother of my grandfather who wasnt born until 1877, so Andrew would have been 15 before my grandfather was even born.  That is absolutely incredible, will go to Scotlands People now and get a cross reference for their marriage and suchlike.

Thankyou so much for your help.

Cheers Liz

[Lisa in California]

On board the Wylie in 1914:
Andrew Murray, age 52, married, Chief Engineer, born Scotland.  Wife: Agnes Murray, 83 Ca? St, M?
(Looks like 83 Callierme St Masherwell.    Sorry, it's a dark image and it is difficult to read.)

[Lisa in California]

Andrew sailed again in 1915, from Tampico to New York.

[Lisa in California]

Andrew and his family are living in Media, Delaware County, PA in 1930.  You may be able to view some census, or other records on FamilySearch.
Living with Agnes and Andrew in 1930:
Agnes M. Lyle (married)
Marjory J. Murray
William Murray
Jean U. S. or W. S. Murray
William S. Wotherspoon, nephew (age 40)

1940 census:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0r1z/

Results, Andrew Murray, Media, Pennsylvania:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0r20/