Ellen Lambert Norfolk

[Drinda]

Hi, I have been searching for the birth of my husbands paternal grandmother,

Her name was Ellen Naomi Lambert born <1872> she was a domestic cook all her working life and was known as ELLA.

We always believed she came from Middlesex and that is where I have been looking until the 1911 census came on line and that say's she came from Norwich Norfolk, but I still can't find her actual birth or Baptism.

She married to William Austin 1893 @ Bethnal Green Middx both age 21 and her father was William Lambert a Carpenter

Ellen, William and their children lived first in Leytostone Essex and then Forest Gate Essex, she died May 1950 age 78 and that age and the fact she was said to be 21 when she married points to her being born 1872.

I would be very grateful if anyone could help.

Thanking you Drinda.

[CaroleW]

Hi

Can you post the full 1911 details please so we can check earlier census entries.  There does not seem to be a matching 1901 entry with a Norfolk birthplace

Looking at the marriage cert - she appears to be Ella Naomi Lambert and the free 1911 index has an Ella Austin b 1873 living in West Ham but there is nothing on the 1881/1891 that matches her profile.

Have you found William & Ella in 1901 to check her birthplace?

[Drinda]

Thank you for your reply.

She is not found on the 1881/1891 census.

1901 William and 2 of the children are at home in Leytonstone Leyton  but Ellen is not there, RG13 1615

I have her marriage certificate and that definitely say's Ellen Naomi and she has signed Ellen Naomi.

The 1911 say's
William Austin  38                        Wanstead Essex
Ella                  38                         Norwich Norfolk
Florence          13                         Leytonstone
William            11                           "         "
Edith                 9                           "         "
Frederick           4                          Forest Gate
Dorothy             6                           "         "
Winifred             2                           "         "                     
Reginald            2                            "        "

Address: 77 Huddlestone Rd, Forest Gate

Reg: District   188
Sub  District       8
Emuneration District 18

Thank you Drinda

[Drinda]

Carol I have just looked at the parish record for the marriage and can see that say's Ella, but the certificate that I have from the GRO is a photo copy of the original certificate and that say's Ellen.

As she was known as Ella I have searched under both, there are not many Ella's found , but there are a number of Ellen's, in service or a visitor any where but not at home. She was a domestic cook for many years in hotels etc.
Drinda

[Manchester Rambler]

This is a bit complicated...

FamilySearch has the christening of another daughter for William and Ella: Fortrude (sic) May AUSTIN, on 22 Nov 1893 in Leyonstone.  (FreeBMD has the birth as Gertrude May AUSTIN.)

I think this is her (with the wrong surname) in 1901:

RG13/1760/54/8
The Heath, Hessett, Suffolk
William LAMBERT  Head  49  Hurdle Maker  Thorpe Hamlet, Norwich
Susan LAMBERT  Wife  52  Laundress  Aylsham, Norfolk
Frederick A LAMBERT  Son  17  Woodman  Hessett, Suffolk
Gertrude M LAMBERT  Grandaughter  7  Leytonstone, Essex

The 1911 free index has Gertrude May AUSTIN apparently still with William and Susan.

However.... on earlier censuses, William and Susan don't have a daughter Ella/Ellen/Naomi living with them     

What do you think?

Rambler

[kaysii]

RG13/1760/54/8
The Heath, Hessett, Suffolk
William LAMBERT  Head  49  Hurdle Maker  Thorpe Hamlet, Norwich
Susan LAMBERT  Wife  52  Laundress  Aylsham, Norfolk
Frederick A LAMBERT  Son  17  Woodman  Hessett, Suffolk
Gertrude M LAMBERT  Grandaughter  7  Leytonstone, Essex

The 1911 free index has Gertrude May AUSTIN apparently still with William and Susan.

However.... on earlier censuses, William and Susan don't have a daughter Ella/Ellen/Naomi living with them     

William and Susanna have a daughter Emma Lambert born St Augustine's Norwich in the 1871 census 0yrs old. Couldn't find the baptism at St Augustine's though. The GRO records have recorded an Emma Lambert registered March Quarter 1871 Norwich 4b 105

[Manchester Rambler]

William and Susanna have a daughter Emma Lambert born St Augustine's Norwich in the 1871 census

I've been looking at this Emma - she shows up in 1891 as a servant in Forest Gate, West Ham, not far from Leytonstone, which is a bit of a coincidence...

So far I haven't found Emma, Ella or William Austin Jr on the 1901 census - I've got to go out now, but will have another hunt later!

Rambler

[kaysii]

It may be worth finding out if the registration in Norfolk was Emma or another name and mistranscribed in London when compiling the central register? On second thoughts probably not as the name is Emma in the censuses

[Drinda]

Thank you all for looking for Ellen/Ella for me, while I am sure this is the right Lambert family and Gertrude was there in 1901 and 1911, I am still looking at the Emma in the 1881.

Thank you Rita.