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Re: Richard III and DNA testing
« Reply #72 on: Monday 04 February 13 15:48 GMT (UK) »
Apparently to be re-interred in Leicester Cathedral and I would guess Leicester will make it a big event to attract the tourists and why not. It isn't every day you find a King.

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Re: Richard III and DNA testing
« Reply #73 on: Monday 04 February 13 17:47 GMT (UK) »
I'm interested in what sort of burial he will have.  He was a Roman Catholic, so is the Anglican Leicester Cathedral the right place for a Catholic king ?   Will he be re-buried there with catholic rites, performed by a Roman Catholic priest ?

Well - the current Cathedral was a Catholic church in Richard's lifetime!
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Re: Richard III and DNA testing
« Reply #74 on: Monday 04 February 13 19:28 GMT (UK) »

Since Henry VII had such a weak claim to the throne, clearly he would want Richard III's remains buried somewhere anonymous so that he could not become a martyr.   Henry's claim to the throne is incredibly weak, as it is through his mother who was descended from John of Gaunt and his mistress, Katherine Swynford.  The pair were married shortly before John of Gaunt's death and the children of the union were subsequently legitimised, but nevertheless, it does explain why the Tudors were always so touchy about their right to rule.  And it also explains Henry VII's need to marry Elizabeth of York, in order to give his offspring the credibility his claim to the throne lacked.



There is no evidence Henry had Richard buried secretly; indeed there is  a wardrobe account dated 1495 of a payment of £10 1s to a James Keyley for "King Richard Tombe" and a possible contract which was the subject of a hearing in the Chancery Court regarding an alabaster monument. Speed claimed that Richard's tomb had an alabaster effigy. Whatever Henry thought of Richard, he was an anointed king, and kings tended to respect their own (Richard himself had ordered the reburial of Henry VI at Windsor.
Henry's claim was tenuous but he emphasized his right by inheritance and conquest - he deliberately did not marry Elizabeth for some time to show his rights did not come from his marriage

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Re: Richard III and DNA testing
« Reply #75 on: Monday 04 February 13 19:30 GMT (UK) »
Sorry about the format of the previous post - the first paragraph was meant to be a quote from Greensleeves previous one - I haven't got the hang of "quoting" obviously!

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Re: Richard III and DNA testing
« Reply #76 on: Monday 04 February 13 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Sorry about the format of the previous post - the first paragraph was meant to be a quote from Greensleeves previous one - I haven't got the hang of "quoting" obviously!

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If you click on the "quote" button you get the passage you want to quote, followed by the html instruction to end the quote. Looks like this:

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Underneath that, you can write what you have to say, and it will be separate.

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Re: Richard III and DNA testing
« Reply #77 on: Monday 04 February 13 19:43 GMT (UK) »
I'm intrigued by the fact that history is now being re-written to show it was not Richard III who was the villain but Henry VII. 

Why can't it be that history was rewritten at the time to show Richard as the villain when he wasn't?

Read The Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey. It will give you quite a bit of information about contemporary writers and what they had to say....and what they didn't say, including accusations against Richard. It's a good read, good detective story.

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« Reply #78 on: Monday 04 February 13 19:44 GMT (UK) »
Oh, and Richard's my third cousin apparently. Nineteen times removed, but hey, details...details ;D
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« Reply #79 on: Monday 04 February 13 19:49 GMT (UK) »
Congratulations !   Is that why your cat wears a crown ??



Daughter of Time is an excellent story.   First read it as a teenager, and have been hooked on R III ever since, and have read masses of books since, for and against him.
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Re: Richard III and DNA testing
« Reply #80 on: Monday 04 February 13 19:51 GMT (UK) »
Oh, and Richard's my third cousin apparently. Nineteen times removed, but hey, details...details ;D

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