Hutchison & Johnstone

[ewblack]

Looking for any info on a Margaret Hutchison.  She married Robert Wallace in 1868 Carnwath.  The marriage states her parents were Archibald Hutchison (a slater, dec'd) & Margaret Johnstone (dec'd).  Going by census records since her marriage she was born in Douglas, Lanarkshire about 1849. 

I have been unable to find any records for Margaret prior to her marriage or her parents deaths.  I thought I'd found Archibald & Margaret in the 1851 census in Douglas but that turned out to be Archibald Hutchison & his wife Margaret Howatt.

Any help on Margaret Hutchison would be great.
Liz

[sancti]

Have you checked this death

1859 HUTCHISON MARGARET     Female at   CARNWATH /LANARK

[sancti]

There is a possible BAPTISM for her on the OPR's which may be worth viewing on Scotlandspeople. The child is not named in the index and only her father's name is recorded in the index

10/12/1849 HUTCHISON ----- ARCHIBALD HUTCHISON at DOUGLAS /LANARK

[MonicaL]

This fits all fits, but where is young Margaret? From 1851 - everyone born in Douglas:

Archibald Hutchison 23, Journeyman Slater
Margaret Hutchison 28
Archibald Hutchison 4 Months

Address: Main St, Douglas, Lanarkshire

Monica

PS: This could be the entry you found that you mention with mother Margaret Howatt - marriage here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTYK-4XZ

[ewblack]

Thanks sancti

I found that birth in 1859 but its for a male child.  Will try the death in 1859.

Monica, that was the census I found, but when I did a bit more digging that was when I found it was the wrong Margaret & Archibald Hutchison.

Liz

[MonicaL]

  That Archibald Hutchison married to Margaret Howatt is the only Archibald who shows as a slater in the whole of Scotland on the transcript I am looking at, and so happens in Douglas...

Some thoughts but no substance 

Given the year of the marrige of the couple above, Nov. 1849 in Douglas, could be we have the right father but either parents (with Margaret Johnston) were not married or they were married but mother died and Archibald remarried.

If they were not married, it may be that mother Margaret Johnston remarried before the 1851 census and young Margaret may show under a different surname in the earlier censuses.

If they were married, young Margaret may have been taken care of by other family members of either side of the families, but can't easily see this on the transcript.

With her marrying in 1868, we only have two censuses to try and make sense of her family. The 1861 one maybe less likely as she may already have been working young away from home by then. Have you viewed her death cert to see what it records regarding her parents? Sometimes there is different info given by informants that can help.

The family here in 1871:

Robert Wallace 24, coal miner b. Carluke, Lanarkshire
Margaret Wallace 21 b. Douglas, Lanarkshire
Margaret Wallace 3 b. Ulatharn (?spl), Linlithgow
James Wallace 1 b. Ulatharn, Linlithgow

Address: No 51, Whitburn, West Lothian

Eldest Margaret born before parents married? Curious about her name and origins of middle names Margaret Forrest Dick Hutcheson https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ7K-BYX

Some of the other children's names also show Forrest (likely on the Wallace side as it shows as Robert's middle name) and Dick in mother Margaret Hutchison's name:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ7B-JXK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ7B-TWL

Monica

[MonicaL]

A little bit more substance now....!

A useful thing, as we know, about Scottish genealogy is the importance of middle names for all sorts of reasons.

The use of the surname Dick and Forrest made me wonder if both Robert (use of the Forrest name for his children) and Margaret (again with the use of Dick) could have been illigitimate (leaving aside we can find nothing early for Margaret).

I have just found this on FreeCen and wonder whether it could be Margaret with maternal family in 1851:

James Dick 69, Handloom weaver b. Douglas
Elizabeth Dick (I think maiden name Anderson), 63, Pirnwider b. Carmichael
Margaret Dick, 30, daughter, Handloom Weaver, b. Douglas...mother to young Margaret?
Jane Dick, 25, daughter, Handloom Weaver, b. Douglas
Elizabeth Thomson, 5, granchild, (illegitimate child) b. Douglas
Robert Thomson, 3, granchild, (illegitimate child) b. Douglas
Margaret Dick, 2, granchild, (illegitimate child) b. Douglas

Address: Clyds Land, Douglas

This looks to be the family in 1861:

James Dick 19 (age mistrancribed), head, Pauper Formerly Coll Weaver b. Douglas
Margaret Dick 12, granchild, b. Douglas
Jane Dick 10, granchild, b. Douglas
Agnes Dick 5, granchild, b. Douglas
Christina Dick 2, granchild, b. Douglas

Address: Clydes Land, Douglas

Margaret Dick shows as mother to both Agnes and Christina:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQHC-DZZ - 1855 with lots more info on the original cert if you wish to view, and
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQH7-TQN

A possible death for a Margaret Dick in Douglas in 1861, born c. 1820 - might be Margaret, mother from above?

Monica
    
        
        

[ewblack]

Thanks Monica

I always wondered where the Dick middle name came from as another of Robert Wallace & Margaret Hutchison's children James has Dick as a middle name.  I knew where the Forrest middle name came from as Robert Wallace's mother was a Forrest.

I agree with you I don't think Margaret's parents ever married.  I wonder where the Johnstone surname has come from that she put as her mother's maiden name.

Will have to look at Margaret's death to see what that says regarding her parents.

liz

[ewblack]

Thanks Monica

I think we have cracked this one. 

Eventually found Margaret Dick Wallace's death in 1934 no parents info was given by son Alexander who registered her death.  But on Robert Forrest Wallace's death states married to Margaret Dick by son Robert who registered his death. 

Decided to check some births of their children some are registered with her maiden surname as Hutchison, others Dick & with my great  grandmother its Dick Hutchison.

I now definately don't think Margaret's parents where married. I do think that the Archibald Hutchison, slater found in the 1851 census was her father & Margaret Dick was her mother.  That was Margaret Dick's death in 1861.

About the Johnstone surname I can only surmise that maybe she was seeing someone of that name before her death or Margaret was trying to cover up her illegitamacy.

Thanks for all the help
Liz