Jane Wade b.1860 middlesex

[dogueduthibet]

Hi
Please can anyone help -my great grandmother Jane married James Parsons in 1887 when the cert. says her father is Albert Wade a cooper in Weston super Mare. I can't find any record of an Albert of the right age group but I have what I think is Jane's birth certt. which says father is William, a beer retailer in Vauxhall London.This says her mother is Eliza formerly Harris, but I can't find a marriage record for William and eliza until 1875(15 yrs after Jane born).Some census's show this William with a wife called Mary Jane(no marriage record for her) and his daughter Mary Jane has different birthdates in various censuses(1846/1861)
Please help sort this confusion!

[Valda]

Hi

On the 1901 census Jane states her birth was Finsbury which is north of the river Thames in 1860 in the county of Middlesex adjacent to the City of London. Vauxhall is south of the river Thames and in Surrey in 1860. English marriage certificates don't give information where fathers were residing at the time of the marriage only where the people who were getting married had resided at least three weeks prior to the marriage.

1881 census RG11 2421 folio 21
Gloster Street Weston Super Mare
Alfred E Wade 25 Head Unmarried General Smith London Middlesex
Mary J Wade 29 Sister-in-law Widow Tailoress Clevedon Somerset
Jane Wade 22 Sister Tailoress London Middlesex
Plus 1 visitor

On the 1891 census Alfred gives his birthplace as Battersea (south of the river Thames). Alfred appears on the 1871 census in Weston Super Mare the nephew of Moses Reading aged 24 born Somerset and his wife Ellen aged 27 also born Somerset.


Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi

Moses Reading married Ellen Harris in 1866.

The Wade family on the 1861 census

1861 census RG9 368 folio 75
3 ? Cottages Howard Street Clapham Surrey
William Wade 44 Head Married Cooper Chelsea Middlesex
Eliza Wade 34 Wife Married Churchill Somerset
Wm Charles Wade 18 Son Labourer Mile End Middlesex
Walter W Wade 11 Son Spitalfields Middlesex
Mary Ann Wade 10 Daughter Spitalfields Middlesex
Alfred E Wade 3 Son Southwark Surrey
Jane Wade 1 Daughter Southwark Surrey

On the 1851 census William and his three eldest children are with his then 'wife' Mary A aged 20 who was born in Brecon. She would be to young to be the mother of his eldest son. HO107 1543 folio 394

William was a widower when he married Mary Ann Johns 23rd October 1848. By 1881 William was a widower again living with his son Walter and his wife in Fulham RG11 67 folio 23.

In 1871 William minus any children was a retired tavern keeper at 22 Conbolt Place Lambeth. His surname is written by the census enumerator as Wale and he has a middle initial W. His birthplace is given as Sloane Square Chelsea. With Willam is his 'wife' Helen aged 53 born Bernes Street Oxford Street. RG10 687 folio 67
There is a Jane Wade aged 11 born Lambeth Surrey living with her cousin Mary J Ralph aged 19 born Clevedon Somerset. They are in Princes Risborough Buckinghamshire. Mary J Ralph maybe the Mary J Wade widow who was Alfred's sister-in-law on the 1881 census and his 'wife' by 1891 though he actually married someone else in 1895, Mary Jane dying in 1894.

The evidence seems to suggest William was married at least twice. If his second marriage failed he may not have been in a position to legally marry again. Is there any evidence that shows Eliza was still alive in 1871? If Jane had had little contact with her father since she was a young child, that might explain her giving an incorrect name for her father on her marriage.


Regards

Valda

[trish1120]

1861 Census
2 Dimes Cottage, Howard St,
Clapham, Surrey
RG9/368/75/2
William WADE, 44, Head, Mar, Cooper, born Chelsea, Middlesex
Eliza, 34, Wife, Mar, born Churchill, Somerset
Wm Charles, 18, Son, Unm, Mile End, Middlesex
Walter M, 11, Son, born Spitalfields
Mary Ann, 10, Daug, born Spitalfields
ALFRED E, 7, Son, born Southwark, Surrey
JANE, 1, Daug, born Lambeth, Surrey

Looks like Eliza is a second Wife for William.

WALTER WILLIAM Wade was christened 05 Aug 1849, Spitalfields to WILLIAM/MARY ANN, Fathers Occp Cooper

Marriage Regs;
Moses READING, March 1866, Axbridge, 5c 929
Ellen HARRIS on same page

Looks like Eliza is nee Harris.

Trish

[Valda]

Hi

Possible for William on the 1841 census with his first wife.

1841 census HO107 711 Bk4 folio 11
High Street Mile End New Town Middlesex
William Wade 20 Cooper J(ourneyman) born in county
Harriett Wade 20 not born in county
Adult ages, those over 15, are usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census

There are baptisms for some of the children

Christ Church Spitalfields
5th August 1849
Walter William Wade parents William and Mary Ann, White Street, father's occupation cooper

Same church

17th November 1850
Mary Ann Mabel Wade - same details

21st December 1851
Alice Wade - 3 ? Street


Regards

Valda

[trish1120]

Ooops sorry Valda

[Valda]

Hi


Just working on the same angles so it all helps confirm the information.


Regards

Valda

[dogueduthibet]

Many thanks to Valda and Trisha for trying to sort this out.

1841 census - I havn't found the entry for William , a cooper and Harriet - the only Wm. I found with Harriet is a bricklayer.
1861 cen., William Charles is age 12 so could be son of mary ann. (1851 cen showing him older I think is wrong.)

I'm not sure how Ellen Harris married to Moses Reading fits in unless she is sister of Eliza Harris, but I can't find any census entry showing them together.
Eliza was still alive in 1875 as William married her in Stepney then (assuming it is the same Eliza Georgina Harris).

I agree Mary Jane Ralph is the mary jane wade widow - the 1901 cen shows a Charlotte Ralph b.1925 as the aunt of Janes husband,but it is actually Jane's aunt(her father william's sister Charlotte who married a William Ralph).Presumably mary Jane is Charlotte and William Ralph's daughter.

Are you sure it was Mary Ann Johns that William married - I have found marriages listed to several other Mary Anns(Mayall, Creecy and Jackson) around that time?
I can't find any evidence of a  Mary Ann being born in Brecon.

I agree, it does sound like Jane was estranged from her father when she married so may have got his name wrong. On the other hand I have found a record of a William Wade being sentenced to 10 yrs. on the convict  ship 'Merchantman' - maybe either Jane or he was ashamed and gave a false name! He wasn't a witness at Janes wedding,it was her brother and a Mary Ann Wilkins(?her married sister).

I don't think the 1871 census under the name of Wales is correct because I found the same family listed in 1861 when we have a definite sighting of William's family somewher else.
This means that he is unaccounted for between the 1861 and 1881 census so it could have been him imprisoned.

Anyway many thanks again - I am less confused on some points now!
regards Colleen

[Valda]

Hi

There is no evidence Eliza had a middle name (Jane's birth certificate).

William Wade who married in the March quarter 1875 married Agnes Jones 7th February 1875 St Anne Limehouse. He was a ship's steward. On the same day at the same church Eliza Georgina Harris married Samuel White a labourer. She was aged 20.

There is no evidence Eliza was still alive at the time of the 1871 census when both her children, Alfred Ernest and Jane were staying with what looks to be maternal relatives.

In 1861 William Charles Wade was aged 18 and a labourer. This would fit with his age on the 1851 census. He married aged 27 on 23rd September 1869 at St Mary  West Brompton. He was a grocer and married Millicent Annie Evans?

1851 census HO107 1543 folio 394
3 Wheler? Street Christchurch Spitalfields
Wm Wade 34 Head Married Cooper Chelsea Middlesex
Mary A 20 Wife Married Brecon Breconshire
Wm Chas Wade 8 Son Christ Church Middlesex
Walter Wm Wade 1 Son Christ Church Middlesex
Mary A Wade 5 Daughter Christ Church Middlesex
Plus 1 young female house servant

Same address as on Alice's baptism. Mary A's age would have been 5 months.

Birth registration
June quarter 1842 Whitechapel registration district
William Charles Wade
Volume 2 Page either 530 or 550 FreeBMD isn't clear

The child Alice who was baptised on 21st December 1851 doesn't appear with the family on the 1861 census. Her birth was registered in Whitechapel registration district in the March quarter 1852. There is a burial of an Alice Wade at St Luke Chelsea 12th August 1854 aged 2 years 6 months if Paradise Walk. The burial register says poor. A Mary Ann Wade was buried at the same church 26th January 1852 but aged 28. She was of Manor Street and also poor. The two may not be connected either to each other or the 1851 census entry for the family.

23rd October 1848 St Antholin Budge Row City of London
William Wade Full Age Widower Cooper St John the Baptist William Wade Accountant?
Mary Ann Johns Full Age Spinster St John the Baptist William Johns Stationer
Both signed
Witnesses John and Mabel Sullivan

If Mary Ann did marry of full age (21 or over) then she would have to have been older than 20 on the 1851 census.

Baptism
St Luke Chelsea 22nd December 1816
William Wade parents William and Sarah, New Manor Street, father's occupation clerk

The 1841 census entry already given on a previous post looks a good bet as this William was living in Mike End New Town which is the birth place given for William Charles on the 1861 census (Spitalfields on the 1851 census like all the other children when that's where the family was living at the time).

William Wade was living with his son William Charles (Walter on the 1881 census aged 38 a warehouseman) in Fulham an unemployed cooper. Despite being unemployed in 1881 when he died 23rd April 1884 he left a will proved at the Principal Registry by his son William Charles 4th March 1885. His estate was estimated at £70.

Though it isn't easy to find William in the 1871 census - singleton men can be difficult to find, it is unlikely he had spent any time in imprisonment if he had an estate to leave and wrote a will. The fact he was living with his son shows that e wasn't estranged fom him. Have you obtained a copy of William's will to see if he named all his children? If Eliza died when Jane was young and she was looked after by maternal relatives she may not have known her father well. That isn't necessarily an estrangement just a distance between them because of circumstances.


Regards

Valda