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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #27 on: Friday 14 September 12 23:50 BST (UK) »
Dear Linell, Dion & Cider.

I would appreciate any advice given... Yes the names have continued on to the present day, my late father in-law's name was William Alexander and our grandson ( aged 10 years ) has William as his middle name and other grandson( now aged 8 years ) has Hugh as his middle name.

I will purchase as many Certificates as I can afford and yes I'm also curious about Elizabeth Baptised @ Norbury... We do not know if the Fraser/Frazer/ family came from Scotland or ireland and Hugh is as far as we have got, hence my search for his Birthplace or his parents name.. at least now I have a rough idea that he was born somewhere around 1800. if he died aged 37 years... I have a lot of information about Alexander right up to the present day...which is our direct line.

Linell... if you email * - mark the subject line " Fraser Family" I will then reply and give you my private email address where you can scan & send direct to me.

Yes my mob are an interesting lot.. seems they came from a poor background, but were " Workers" . The Engineer" bit seems to have carried on to present day also, as my late father in-law was am Engineer in Weights & Measures with Avery Scales. my hubby was 3rd Generation also to work for them... the company like a lot of them have now vanished...

Looking forward to hearing from you all again.

Have a wonderful week-end

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Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford  Manch Lancashire &  Staffordshire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 15 September 12 00:27 BST (UK) »
Just an after thought.!!!

Does anyone know if the old Hugh Wallis's website is still available.. I know that Ancestry has taken over most everything now, but Hugh's website was almost a " Bible " to me for research.

I have lost a lot of websites that I have saved over the years as I recently upgraded my PC from XP to Win 7 and am slowly working my way around it aafter leaving my " XP" comfort Zone... ;D

Cheers
Faysie
Sach/Saich- Essex.
Kent & North Family - Hampshire.
Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney, Spalding- Lincolnshire, also Dorrington , Holland fen & Leicestershire.
Peck, Welbourn & Leadenha Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford  Manch Lancashire &  Staffordshire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
Micklethwaite -Stalybridge & Tintwhistl

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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 15 September 12 06:49 BST (UK) »
It is part of Ancestry, but still available - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/

Dion
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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 15 September 12 07:06 BST (UK) »
Good to know that the family names have been passed right down the family line, that is very positive news.  I have emailed you Faysie, will wait to hear back from you.  Linell.
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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 24 January 16 01:06 GMT (UK) »
For Linell, Dionysus & ciderdrinker...

I have made further progress but again am in need of advice or guidance and I'm hoping that you may be able to assist me Please.

My elusive Hugh Fraser/Frazer/ Frasier died 14 Oct 1837 in Madeley STS. Whilst working on the Railway as a Labourer. I have a Coroner's Inquest Report which states that he was tragically killed run over by a Wagon Wheel whilst employed on the Railway...Hugh was buried @ St.Peters Maer 16 Oct 1837 aged Circa 37 yrs...His wife Mary Fraser(nee Ferguson) was 8 months pregnant with their 4th Child Elizabeth Ferguson Fraser Bapt 26 Nov 1837 @ St. Peter's Church Maer. STS... On the 6th December 1837, Mary Registered both the Birth of Elizabeth and the Death of her son William aged 16 months & 4 days... so she was still in the Maer area in December 1837....I have looked at a couple of things (1) Mary returning to her mother/family in Wednesfied STS, no results... (2) a Re-Marriage in the Free Reg BDM- Can't find anything (3) Mary's Death (there was a possible Mary Frazer died 1839 @ Stoke on Trent Reg  Jan-Feb-March Qtr...but unable to validate that... she seems to have disappeared or I'm doing something wrong.??

In 1841 Alexander aged 12  (eldest child) his sisters Anne aged 6 and 3 yrs are in Gloucestershire Dursley Union Workhouse...this is too much of a coincidence not to be them...I have learned perhaps the reason the children were sent so far away was due to the Parish Finances at the time and with no mother around... the 3 children were listen as "Paupers" and Not of this County...

I found in 1851 UK Census Elizabeth in Dursely working for Amelia Bendall a Dress Maker as a Public Servant aged 14 years. say's she was born Dursley, but methinks that can be explained as she was only 3 years old in the Workhouse.

I don't know what happened to either Alexander or Ann in 1851, but in 1861 UK Census I found an Alex Frazer as a Border/Lodger in Ancoats Manchester..Head of the house was a James Bramall and James's wife Martha was born in Madeley STS where Alexzander's father was accidentally killed...

My question is... am I grasping at straws? and where or what can I do to further my research on either Hugh the father or Mary (the Mother)...I eventually know about Alexander marrying in Manchester Cathedral to a Sarah Berry in1868...

Just one note about all of this... there was a Farmhouse called Slimersdale/Slymansdale near Camp Hill not far from the Manor in Maer...I think this is where Hugh Fraser ( the father was born) but that's only a theory...

So looking forward to tour comments, and again my sincere Appreciation for any hep or advice.

Faysie
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Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney, Spalding- Lincolnshire, also Dorrington , Holland fen & Leicestershire.
Peck, Welbourn & Leadenha Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford  Manch Lancashire &  Staffordshire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
Micklethwaite -Stalybridge & Tintwhistl

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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 24 January 16 20:00 GMT (UK) »
Hello Faysie

Linell says that Hugh was a navigator or navvy.  This would explain why the family moved about a lot.  That time, and the previous 50 years or so, was one of great social upheaval, with employment in agriculture in steep decline and the rapid growth of cities like Manchester, where Alexander ended up.

Hugh's age at burial in 1837 is given as 37, which implies birth about 1800.  But Maer?  The only association with the place appears to be in 1836 to 1839:  baptism of Elizabeth Ferguson and another Elizabeth Fraser and burials of William and Hugh.  There was no one named Fraser at Maer in 1841.  Alexander and Ann baptised 1832 and 1834 High Offley, quite a step from Maer, but near the Shropshire Union Canal, which was not completed until 1835, so Hugh could have been employed there.

I still think I am right about the Dursley connection for Mary Ferguson.  If she died in the workhouse she may have been given a pauper's burial in an unmarked grave, which would prevent age at death being linked to the 1811 baptism (but there would have been a record of it somewhere).  However, if the death registered in 1839 Oct Bristol 11 151 is correct this may provide the link and will show how and where she died.  In an earlier post I mentioned a James Ferguson living at Clifton; in 1841 his wife was Lucy, so the 1839 record is still a goer.

The fly in the ointment is that Lydney was included in the Chepstow Union, which is on the wrong side of the River Severn.  On the other hand, if it is true that Mary had family in Uley, then Dursley Union would have been right.

The parents for the 1811 baptism at Lydney of Mary were Alexander and Elizabeth Ferguson - only one child baptised Lydney.  Can't find any other record of them.  However, at Norbury, an Alexander Ferguson, of this parish, widower, and a Mary Greenfield had banns read on 9, 16 and 23 July 1837 (Findmypast).  This seems too much of a coincidence to be wrong.  Perhaps Alexander was living with or near his daughter and grandchildren?

There is also a record of Alexander Ferguson of Sutton buried at Forton, both near to Norbury, 19 May 1840, aged 65, therefore born around 1775.  Lots of possible baptisms in Scotland.  There seems to be no record of Alexander and Elizabeth marrying in Gloucestershire, Staffordshire, or even England, that looks at all likely, so Scotland may be the origin.

At first Lydney seemed an odd place for an outsider to turn up.  Having read up a little of  the history it seems the harbour was important in the ealier stages of the Industrial Revolution and in 1810-1813 a canal and railway were contructed to ease transport of coal and products from an ironworks.  Therefore, it appears there was plenty of employment in the area.

Although the marriage at Wednesbury records that both Hugh and Mary were of the parish, this would only have been their residence and may have no connection to their place of birth.  Note that what I read as J W Court is a witness to other marriages and may be a church official, such as a verger, sexton, warden or usher - a George W Court lived two doors from the vicar in 1841.  A Henry Malband died 1838 registered West Bromwich and a Henry Malbond buried May 1838 at Wednesbury.  I was hoping he would be a navvy, but I guess we'll never know.

It seems not unreasonable to suppose that both Hugh and Mary moved to Wednesbury in the Black Country as booming industries sucked in more and more labour.  In the early nineteenth century there was considerable poverty in rural parts and they may have been forced to move to avoid starvation.  A lot of canal building was going on in the 1820s, including the Birmingham Canal Navigation's New Main Line.  Therefore, I suspect your search for Hugh will take you elsewhere, very likely, given the name, to Scotland.

Dion
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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 24 January 16 23:06 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning Dion,

Thank you so very much for your reply... it is a lot to absorb and also for me to learn about and not having information close at hand and also not knowing about the Towns and Villages in STS..I do have a UK Map, but of course it does not show all the places that you have mentioned....

The one fact that I do know is that Mary Fraser (Nee Ferguson) was the daughter of a Phoebe Ferguson, and Phoebe went on to have two more children that I found albeit a few years apart  (1) Daughter named Ann Ferguson Baptised 22 May 1808 @ Wednesfield STS. & (2) a son Thomas Ferguson Baptised 24 April 1814 again @ Wednesfield STS... Mother Phoebe and no mention of a father...(Source) England Births and Christenings. 1538-1975 Family Search .Org..... So Wednesfield is a starting point as well.

Methinks both you and Linell are right about Hugh being a Navvy...as the Coroners Report shows that he was a Labourer and accidentally killed whilst employed at the Railway in Madeley STS...

I have a lot of work ahead of me for sure, so please know that I welcome your information and will pursue it further- minus a few headache's and mind searching along this journey...LOL..... again my Sincere Appreciation...

Cheers for now.
Faysie
Queensland.
Sach/Saich- Essex.
Kent & North Family - Hampshire.
Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney, Spalding- Lincolnshire, also Dorrington , Holland fen & Leicestershire.
Peck, Welbourn & Leadenha Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford  Manch Lancashire &  Staffordshire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
Micklethwaite -Stalybridge & Tintwhistl