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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #9 on: Friday 07 September 12 03:52 BST (UK) »
Ok Faysie, will see what I can find, will get back to you.  Mary probably Married again then after the death of Hugh, have you found her on the 1841 Census? Best wishes from Linell.
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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 08 September 12 07:31 BST (UK) »
Hello Faysie

It appears children William and Elizabeth Ferguson died in infancy; both are both registered Q4 1837 Stone, staffordshire.

Also, the IGI has a further child Elizabeth baptised 6 Oct 1839 Norbury, which is just a couple of miles from High Offley.

The Gloucestershire angle is interesting because in 1841 Alexander Frazer 12 (may have exaggerated his age or enumerator's or beadle's guess?), Ann Frazer 6 and Elizabeth Frazer 3 are recorded at Dursley Union Workhouse, Gloucestershire, neither born in county.  Class: HO107; Piece: 347; Book: 16; Civil Parish: Dursley; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: Dursley Union Workhouse; Folio: 36; Page: 1; Line: 14; GSU roll: 288761.  Or just search for Elizabeth Frazer 1839 Gloucestershire.  This also finds Elizabeth 1851 servant at Dursley.

Too much of a coincidence to be wrong?

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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 08 September 12 10:23 BST (UK) »
Hi there
Had a look through 1841 census for Mier,page by page and no luck not there.
Got a death for Hugh Fraser Dec 1837 Newcastle under Lyme 17 55.It might be worth buying that death cert as it will give his age.
Possible death for Mary Frazer Mar 1839 Stoke on Trent 17 130.,or she could've remarried Dec 1846 Newcastly under Lyme 17 468  as Mary Rhodes Fraser or Mary Frazer Sep 1854  same place 10b 152.(IGI rules out 1846)
No admission to Stoke workhouse for Fraser/frazer which is good but doesn't explain where they are in 1841 does it.
Wednesbury earlier census 1831/1811/1801 have survived but I'm afraid won't show birthplace,only head of the house,number of female,male,address and catagory of occupation.
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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 08 September 12 23:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you Dionysus& Ciderdrinker for your response.

I too saw Elizabeth Frazer born Norbury born 1839.. I dismissed her as it appears Hugh died in Dec 1837- so methinks that throws that one out the window..

I think I should look fo Hugh's Death Cert, although they are never accurate, at least it could be a guide... I still feel that a copy of Hugh & Mary Ferguson's Marriage from the Parish registry will give me a better picture...

Like you, I too have wondered why I can't find them in 1841- perhaps they moved ??.. There were a couple of "Frazer's-Faiser's " living in Staffordshire so I tread very warily.- My Cousin & I have been searching for almost 20 years now and they are not going anywhere soon, so I will also check out the Theory of looking at the Workhouse although I have my doubts... as Hugh was an listed as an Engineer/ etc; so one would imagine that he would be able to find work  even in dire circumstances..

Again my sincere appreciation for yur response and I shall check it all out.

Have a wonderful Day]

Faysie
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Kent & North Family - Hampshire.
Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney, Spalding- Lincolnshire, also Dorrington , Holland fen & Leicestershire.
Peck, Welbourn & Leadenha Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford  Manch Lancashire &  Staffordshire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
Micklethwaite -Stalybridge & Tintwhistl


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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 09 September 12 01:00 BST (UK) »
An hypothesis:  Frazer (and variants) is not especially common in England around 1840.  Elizabeth Ferguson Frazer is unigue.  Hugh & Mary had 5 children; 2 died late 1837 (disease?); the remaining 3 ended up somehow in Dursley, Gloucestershire, abandoned or orphaned.  When old enough they were sent to work - Elizabeth with a local dressmaker and Alexander, like thousands of others from all over England, sent to Manchester to work in the textile mills - he pops up in the 1851 census at Manchester, born Dursley, cotton piercer.  Once there the head of household tells the enumerator that Alexander came from Dursley (Alexander, who has had little or no schooling, has no say and, anyway, thinks he was born in Gloucestershire).  In 1891 he gets to tell the enumerator his own version - he remembers that when he was a boy he lived at Slymansdale, but didn't really know where it was; all he remembered was being told was that he arrived in a group of orphans or poor children from Gloucestershire.

An engineer could simply be an ordinary bloke driving an engine at a coal mine or a factory or on the railway (a train driver was known as an engineer even in my time).

If I'm wrong, so be it.  But it might explain why it is so hard to track down the parents.

Dion
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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 09 September 12 01:18 BST (UK) »
Wow !!! Dion,

You sure have opened up a can of worms for me and yes you are right it is certainy worth investigating that's for sure... I will  do some hard yakka on this one and see where it may lead... but I would also still like a copy of Hugh & Mary's Marriage details.. you never know your luck there sometimes

Thank You... sometimes it take another pair of eyes to see outside a square...

 Very much appreciated your response.

Cheers for Now

Faysie
Sach/Saich- Essex.
Kent & North Family - Hampshire.
Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney, Spalding- Lincolnshire, also Dorrington , Holland fen & Leicestershire.
Peck, Welbourn & Leadenha Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford  Manch Lancashire &  Staffordshire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
Micklethwaite -Stalybridge & Tintwhistl

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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 12 September 12 11:04 BST (UK) »
Hiya
I thought someone was going to Stafford Record Office for you and I don't want to step on their toes but I have had a sneeaky peek.
  They where married by banns ,both of this parish.Hugh Fraser signed and Mary Ferguson made her mark.
Sorry but the witnesses are Henry Matthews and it looks like Gle Court,definately not Ferguson or Fraser.
   Can't do a print or scan because it's out of toner and on a microfilm viewer.
Really sorry
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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 12 September 12 11:55 BST (UK) »
Yes Cider, I had a very kind offer of a person going to the Staffordshire Records Office and I'm hoping that they still are and perhaps could obtain a copy for me still.. perhaps it states about Hugh's father?.

At least now I know that they married after Banns, which usually means that they must have resided in or around the area of Wednesbury for three weeks or more....

Methinks I should start looking at the Parish Register for Wednesbury and see if any Ferguson's lived there...

Thank you so very much for your kindness and quelling a little bit of the Mystery for me.

With Much Appreciation.

Faysie
Sach/Saich- Essex.
Kent & North Family - Hampshire.
Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney, Spalding- Lincolnshire, also Dorrington , Holland fen & Leicestershire.
Peck, Welbourn & Leadenha Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford  Manch Lancashire &  Staffordshire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
Micklethwaite -Stalybridge & Tintwhistl

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Re: FRASER/FRAZER/FRAISER- Can you Help Please !!
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 13 September 12 03:49 BST (UK) »
Dear Linell,

I was wondering if you had a chance to have  a peek at my request for a Marriage between Hugh Frazer & Mary Ferguson...if so were you able to obtain a copy ( digital or USB)...???

I have been searching through various Census and information that others have suggested and to be honest I'm almost going blind looking..I have had to leave it for a couple of days as I have Glaucoma and it is difficult for me to look at a lot of ( unfortunately faded copies) that are on line.

I also went right through the 1841 UK Census in the Village of High Offley and found nothing there.... Now I'm starting to look at the Village of Wednesbury..My reason for doing so is Hugh & Mary married there and usually they marry in the Parish of the Bride... I'm looking for any " Ferguson's" etc;.

Also I have lost quite a lot of websites that I have managed to save over the years.. as I recently had my computer upgraded from XP to Windows 7... and lost a lot of stuff in the change over.. so I'm virtually starting from Scratch again and trying to remember any of the websites again..

If anyone can advise me of good websites to search in the UK I would be grateful... I have Ancestry and have been using that also FreeReg and FreeBDM's...

Looking forward to hearing from you gain or anyone else who may be able to assist me in my quest.

Thanks in Advance andalso for your patience.

Faysie
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Sach/Saich- Essex.
Kent & North Family - Hampshire.
Burke- Co Galway Ireland
Sharp/e- Sth Kyme-Pinchbeck & Blankney, Spalding- Lincolnshire, also Dorrington , Holland fen & Leicestershire.
Peck, Welbourn & Leadenha Lincolnshire
Plowright - Pinchbeck. Lincolnshire
Higman & Seldon Family- Stoke Damerol. Devon.
Freebody -Middlesex-London
Gravel- Prestwich. Manch-Lancashire
Fraser/Frazer- Salford  Manch Lancashire &  Staffordshire
Berry- Bollington. Cheshire
Micklethwaite -Stalybridge & Tintwhistl