Pearson Connahs Quay

[miildredmartha]

Hi from an Obit of great gran DEC1927 I have two people who are related to her.
She was Elizabeth Abbott nee Roberts.
Her obituary says
Mrs Pearson and Mrs Stephen Hughes,
 very oblique I know but I believe Elizabeth's  mother or her aunt was a Sarah Roberts from Ruthin  .. who marr a Stephen Hughes of Wepre Connahs quay.1862 ish ... This is a huge brick wall for me. On my great gran all I have is her giving birth to Sarah Ellen Roberts Sept 1872 StAsaph union .
Who marries as Abbott .. Lives in Llannefydd as Jones dies as Mrs Owen .Ann. Jones was the Grannie should be Abbott as mother of Thomas Abbott but seems to have returned to m/s of Jones tenant Bryn Chapel house Llannefydd
There was another child born Connahs Quay Mary Ann Abbott 1878. Not on 1881 census. But appears to be a grand child of a Richard Evans and Jane Abergele
census  born Rhyl.?  Elizabeth is in Bedford street Rhyl with no children or I may add husband Thomas - Abbott.
Anyone out there related please.?ANYONE
I have been I'll Over the last few yrs so not done a lot ,and now losing my sight so any help would be great , thanks MM

[despair]

I have some "bare bones" that look promising,with the conclusion that Elizabeth Abbott(nee Roberts) is probably the illegitimate(?)child of Sarah Roberts,possibly from Ruthin as follows:-

Elizabeth Abbott,the wife of Thomas Abott(born Llanefydd) as in the 1891 census,living at Bedford Street,Rhyl(ref. 4627  42  9),is given as born Denbigh1852,and on the 1881 census as born 1854.(Sarah Ellen born 1872 is with them in 1891).Elizabeth who dies in 1927 is given as age 74,therefore born circa 1853.

There is a baptismal record for Elizabeth Roberts in Denbigh 1853,describing her as "base born" to Sarah Roberts and Thomas Roberts(not identified),of Mount Pleasant.

In 1861 Sarah Roberts,living at Mount Pleasant,marries Stephen Hughes at St.Hilary's Denbigh.Her father is given as Robert Roberts,though his profession is somewhat illegible.
The family may be that at Well Street Ruthin in 1841 ref  1404  23/35  25


Stephen and Sarah Hughes are to be found
1871  5643  77  23  Wepre
1881  5505  90  46  Northop

Amongst their chidren is Stephen Hughes,given as born 1866 in the census and perhaps it is his wife(or if he had a son Stephen,then his wife) who is referred to in the notice

Although I can't find a marriage,there is a Robert Pearson(born 1850 Scotland)
who is married to a Sarah Elizabeth(unidentified) born Wepre/Connahs Quay circa 1859( a pre marriage child of Sarah and Stephen?).Robert Pearson is in the police and ends up as inspector in Rhyl in 1911,living previously in Overton and Northop.There must be a reasonable chance that this is the family of Mrs Pearson
I'll see if I can flesh this out some more if you think I am on the right lines.

Regards
Rogher

[wrjones]

There is a marriage at Chester St John in 1879 of a Robert Pearson and a Sarah E Garrett.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[wrjones]

This Sarah Elizabeth "Garratt" was the daughter of a Stephen Garratt and a Sarah Latham who married at Northop in 1847.Stephen Garratt was a Mariner.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[despair]

Yes,that looks like her(with apologies to Sarah and Stephen Hughes!)

1871  5643 80 30

Sarah Eliz Garratt  age 12 "near Hare and Hounds Wepre" with family.

Regards
Roger

[wrjones]

I believe the Garratt family were later connected with descendants of the Richard Conway born c 1786 in Flint whose baptism is very elusive.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[despair]

I may have an answer to one more aspect of the query,that of Mary A Abbott appearing as grand daughter to Richard and Jane Evans(1881 census ref 5531  9 11)
Mary Ann Abbott's birth in 1878 is registered in the Flint area and the baptism is to Thomas and Elizabeth of Wepre which appears straight forward,though I haven't found the wedding of Thomas and Elizabeth(assumed to be Sarah's daughter born 1853 Denbigh-see later)
Elizabeth by 1881 is living in Rhyl,hence,perhaps,the birth location given for Mary Ann.
Jane Evans,is,I believe the second wife of Richard Evans,who marries a Jane Roberts in 1867(hence the son Thomas 1869).Jane Roberts,I further think is the widow of Ellis Roberts of Ruthin,son of Robert Roberts the shoemaker and therefore brother to Sarah.He is born in 1819(family at Prior Street) and does not appear with the family on early censuses.
This means that Mary Abbott is a "grand" relative but not directly a "grand daughter"......unless.....Ellis and Jane(nee Jones) Roberts have a daughter called Elizabeth born 1850............

Later modification.Might need a rethink on above,have found Ellis and Jane still together in 1871.
Regards
Roger

[despair]

Sarah Ellen Roberts,born 1872,assumes her mothers married name and marries a Robert Owen(born Liverpool according to census)in 1894.
They are to be found in 1901 in Llanfair Is Gaer,Port Dinorwic ref  5270  8  7,but return to live with their family at 59 Wellington Road Rhyl,together with Thomas and Elizabeth Abbott and family.
I'm not sure of your references to"lives in Llanefydd as Jones" "Grannie" etc.

Regards
Roger

[despair]

The 1861 census for Llanefydd is missing but there is a death of Anne Abbots(sic) St Asaph registration district 1862.Perhaps this is Thomas' mother.

Regards
Roger