Rosa Schoch B: 26 Dec 1886

[Schoch]

Hello fellow "chatters",

I am asking for any help regarding this relative of mine.  She was born in Ohringen, Germany but may have emigrated to the UK with her brother, or even followed her brother a few years later. He, Friedrich August Louis Schoch (my grandfather), arrived in 1895 and was a butcher. I am hoping that Rosa  Nanette (Rosalie/Rosaline/Rosine) also emigrated to the UK as I can find no record of her death/marriage in Germany, or anywhere else for that matter.


Thanks

Richard

[CaroleW]

Frederick was born c 1859 according to the 1901 census.

If Rosa was a similar age - I would have thought she would be married by 1895

Do you have any info that confirms she survived infancy

[Milliepede]

Could he be born 1880 or is that too late?  Only there is one such chap working with a pork butcher in Northumberland - or is that someone else, maybe a relative?

There are similar Rosa names in the US census but can't tell if it's her 

[CaroleW]

Could he be born 1880

If his wife was Babette - then he was b 1859 and living in Essex in 1901

[Schoch]

Hello CaroleW and Milliepede,

Thanks for you responses.  Friedrich was born in 1879 (confirmed from church records and family documents), so Rosa would have to be 7 yrs younger than him.

Milliepede; Yes he was the Pork Butcher in Northumberland (Wallsend 1911) & (Sunderland  1901 as well).

Carole the question of her surviving infancy is a valid one except that the church records show the births/deaths etc. of all other siblings, but other than her birth and baptism in 1900 there are no other entries for her. So I am left with the hope that she too emigrated.  I have no responses from either posts in Germany or the USA, hence this post for the UK.


Richard

[CaroleW]

Confused (very easy at my age!!) - I can't find the Northumberland entry at all but the 1859 Frederick in Essex was also a beef & pork butcher and had a 3yr old dtr called Rosa

Can somebody post the 1901 reference please

[Schoch]

1911 England Census about Frederick Schoch
Name:   Frederick Schoch
Age in 1911:   31
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1880
Relation to Head:   Servant
Gender:   Male
Birth Place:   Germany
Civil parish:   Wallsend
County/Island:   Northumberland
Country:   England
Street Address:   20 High St West Wallsend
Marital Status:   Single
Occupation:   Managing Business
Registration district:   Tynemouth
Registration District Number:   559
Sub-registration district:   Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel:   5
Piece:   30711
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Mary Dorr   52
Fred Dorr   23
Kate Dorr   21
Rosie Dorr   16
Frederick Schoch   31






1901 England Census about Fred Schock
Name:   Fred Schock
Age:   21
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1880
Relation:   Servant
Gender:   Male
Where born:   German Subject, Germany
Civil parish:   Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish:   St Peter
Town:   Sunderland
County/Island:   Durham
Country:   England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district:   Sunderland
Sub-registration district:   South Bishopwearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel:   24
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household schedule number:   63
Piece:   4715
Folio:   150
Page Number:   11
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Carl W V Voghher   27
Sophia Vogther   26
Ernest G F Vogther   3
Winifred L Vogther   1
Caroline Marten   35
Barbara Mauser   23
Maggie Buctshewert   18
Caroline Henne   19
Hetty Snowball   18
Fred Schock   21
John Hahn   24
Gottlob Altdorfer   19
Conrad Schmich   18
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[joultram]

I collect and offer for sale Victorian/Edwardian memorabilia and have come across a number of postcards concerning a Rosa Schock which may be useful to you.

A typical postcard belongs to Miss Rose (Rosina C) Schock, born around 1885.

The postcard can be viewed  at http://www.theheritagemine.com/d.aspx/$item-details/Miss-Rose-(Rosina-C)-Schock?itemID=202

I have researched the postcard and found the following connections which may be of use;

The postcard was addressed to:

Miss  Rose (Rosina C) Schock
c/o Mrs Morris
Coomb, Llangarn
Camarthen
Carmarthenshire
Wales

My research revealed the following information;

Birthday card, posted Jan 30th.

Marriages Sep 1903,George Frederick Schock and Clara Jane Phillips, St Olave, Bermondsey, London    1d   401   

Baptisms: 1904, Ivy Florence Schock
MOTHER: Clara Jane Schock
FATHER: George Frederick Schock

Births Sep 1904, SCHOCK, Ivy Florence St. Olave 1d 185    
Births Mar 1908, Schock, Violet, St. Olave 1d 210

Deaths Mar 1943, SCHOCK    George F, 64, Bermondsey 1d 44    
Deaths Jun 1944, Schock Clara J, 64, Bermondsey    1d   67    

1911 Census:
1911 census details removed

1891 Census:
Address: 3, Oak Cottages, Clarence Place, Rotherhithe, Commercial.

SCHOCK, John, Head, Married, M, 45, Butcher, Germany.
SCHOCK, Lena, Wife, Married, F, 37, Germany.
SCHOCK, Frederick, Son, M, 14, Warehouse Packer, Bermondsey, London.
SCHOCK, George, Son, M, 12, Scholar, Bermondsey, London.
SCHOCK, Christiana, Daughter, F, 10, Scholar, Bromley by Bow, London.
SCHOCK, Rosina, Daughter, F, 6, Scholar, Dartford, Kent.

1911 Census:
1911 census details removed

Marriages Jun 1913   (Croydon, vol:2a, page:491)
Edward G Goodwin married Rosina C Schock

There are five or six other cards on the site relating to Rosa Schock before and after her marriage to Edward Goodwin.

Hope this helps

[Schoch]

Hi,

Very interesting thank you, however the Rosa in my tree did not leave Germany until the earliest date of 1900, possibly as late as 1909.  The census you have shows her in the Uk in 1891 and being born there as well.

Thanks


Richard