Elizabeth Gilmore

[highfield54]

 I am trying to trace  a Elizabeth Gilmour b. 1812 on 1851 Census she had a daughter also named Elizabeth who marries James Hamilton which brought her into my ancestry. the 1851 Census shows she had 6 children but no mention of their father,  I would like to know if possible who her parents were,  can you help please.
                                                                            regards Helena

[groom]

Hi Helena

Is it the same Elizabeth that appears on the 1861 census?
RG 9; Piece: 3946; Folio: 73; Page: 40
 Quay Street, St Bees, Whitehaven

Patrick Gilmore   59  Lab general       Ireland
Elizabeth Gilmore   50                         Ireland
Elizabeth Gilmore   19  Coal gatherer    Whitehaven
Esther Gilmore   17  Coal gatherer    Whitehaven
Sarah Ellen Gilmore15 Coal gatherer    Whitehaven
Margaret Gilmore   10                        Whitehaven
Hannah Gilmore   6                          Whitehaven


If so, you will need probably to look on Irish records for her parents.

Jan

[highfield54]

 Thank you for your quick reply all the names you mention are the same has I have but the spelling is different I have Gilmour but it could be Gilmore I will pursue your suggestion.

                         regards Helena

[aghadowey]

Gilmore and Gilmour are interchangeable- just depends who was writing the name down at the time so do not be concerned with spelling.

[emmsthheight]

Hi

I can't see a marriage that fits on Free bmd even though the first child on 1861 in born in Whitehaven.

Tends too confirm you need to look for a marriage in Ireland - though there could still be some marriages missing from Free bmd.

Best wishes

Emms 

[emmsthheight]

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In 1841 they are at Strand St Whitehaven, which Quay St is close to.

They have Mary Jane and Thomas, 8 and 6 years and James 4 as well as Elizabeth.

No occupation given.

The parents and Mary Jane and Thomas all have a cross in the right hand column for birth place with what is probably an I beside outside the grid.

If this is a first marriage and it was before the first child was born thenthey were married before registration started in this country.  So it looks like we need parish records either side of the Irish Sea!

Best wishes

Emms 

[emmsthheight]

Hi again

In 1851 Elizabeth is on her own with the children.  She's down as mariner's wife and it looks like pauper written faintly beside that.  She's again just down as born Ireland.

She has mary 15, Thomas 14, James 12, Elizabeth 9, Esther 7, sarah E 5, Patrick 4 and Margaret 4 or 1?

Emms

[highfield54]

Thank you Emms for your reply it does seem a tricky one has I have no idea where in Ireland to look, I am meeting up with someone tomorrow with the same lady in her Ancestry so we will compare notes and I will let you know if we find anything.  Yes I think you are correct when you say they look like paupers as 1 child is a coal picker at 18!!  Some look ups are easy but some are just to hard to tackle,
                                             many thanks I will be in touch later
                                                                 regards Helena

[emmsthheight]

Thanks for the feedback Helena

I'll be interested to know how you get on.

Of course one thing you could do would be to look for a birth certificate for one of the children born in Whitehaven and get Elizabeth's maiden name from there.

there are baptism registers in the record office but I think only the RC ones will give maiden name and I've a feeling the ones for this date are still at the church even if that is their religion.

Good luck with the meeting.

Best wishes

Emms